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Wife wants me to do the unthinkable due to the Florida DMV debacle!

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Russ Knight said:
That is not entirely correct. I just sold a M925A2 that was both tagged and titled here in Florida. I now have a MTVR that is tagged and titled here as a truck. The rub in Florida has to do with Humvees. They cannot be titled here, not due to any statute, but due to a DHSMV administrative order. Humvees (according to my information) come with an "Off Road Only" designation from the feds. Due to this, they cannot be tagged and titled as a normal vehicle. I'm not sure, but they may qualify for the FMV (Former Military Vehicle) tag, which is supposed to limit your driving to parades, car shows, etc. I doubt very many LEO's would even stop anyone with that tag though.
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That is entirely correct. That isn’t to say that people haven’t registered them, but they can pull your title at anytime.

I agree that LEO won’t mess with you. I drove quite a bit with mine and never had an issue in the northern part of the state. May not be so lucky down south.
 
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jrtoffroad said:
I always thought FL was a very vehicle friendly state and would be an easy place to register a HUMVEE. Guess I was wrong. Very disappointing. Seems we're really fighting a losing battle, with so many states enacting laws/rules against MV registration.
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So many New Yorker's have immigrated to FLA, they were lost some time ago, dang Californians are doing it to TX now..
 
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juanprado said:
Look into registering in Vermont. They are friendly.
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I bought a govt trailer without a title. NC wanted me to jump through a thousand hoops - get a double indemnity bond etc etc, I called a place in Maine - I got 5 yr plates for under $300 and a Maine plate (Vermont does the same) - no title - no nothing.
 
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Why not 'ave yer aur'nty register the vehicle in a freindly?... state as mentioned..
( That seems a definate meb'be seemingly.. )...As her jolly town n' country runabout/beach truck..And gives you permish' to use it..?..:driver:
 
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nayrbrellim said:
I bought a govt trailer without a title. NC wanted me to jump through a thousand hoops - get a double indemnity bond etc etc, I called a place in Maine - I got 5 yr plates for under $300 and a Maine plate (Vermont does the same) - no title - no nothing.
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What happens when you get pulled over because the truck and trailer have plates from different states? If a Texas resident with out of state plates is stopped and cannot prove he/she bought the truck/trailer from out of state within the grace period (30 days) he/she is actually is guilty of tax evasion, somewhat serious stuff and a favorite pastime for the DPS.
 
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See they call it a tax to give them more power than if it was simply a "user fee"

"Within 30 calendar days from the date a vehicle purchased outside Texas is brought into Texas for motor vehicle use tax or the new resident use tax; within 60 calendar days from the date of purchase or first use in Texas for active duty military personnel;"
I am sure most states have similar laws otherwise one state could not charge more than another state which they do.
 
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I have all my trailers registered in Maine. It shows on the registration your name and local address and the name of the registered agent on your behalf in Maine. Just the same as most national trucking companies rolling stock. Check next time how many national fleets and intermodal chassis are registered in Maine when you are on the road. They get it. They like the fees and sales tax and 99% of Maine's trailers will never see their highways. Kind of like all those companies incorporating in Delaware and all those LLC's in Montana.....
 
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Missouri is 30 days to be registered once you reside in MO. DL and Tags must be registered. If caught and warned and caught again the vehicle is towed, unless it is a protected class.

In Missouri they could employ Troopers just for that and do not bother unless pulled over for violation, and only get warning. There are plates living in Missouri from every state. I always laugh when local truckers have Delaware plates. Popular here.
 
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Mogman said:
What happens when you get pulled over because the truck and trailer have plates from different states? If a Texas resident with out of state plates is stopped and cannot prove he/she bought the truck/trailer from out of state within the grace period (30 days) he/she is actually is guilty of tax evasion, somewhat serious stuff and a favorite pastime for the DPS.
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juanprado answered it, but here in NC I see HMMVs with Vermont tags all the time. In my case it's just a trailer , and I definitely cannot speak to a laws or legal stuff but there was just no other option for me to get a tag on the trailer, Heck if you search this site you can probably find the thread where I was given the advice and course of action on here. SS is truly the best place to get advice for a MV in my opinion. My 5 ton already had a NC title when I bought it but it was never registered and I had a hell of a time explaining to the gals at DMV that it did weight 17k pounds, until i pulled out a picture of it then they were fairly helpful after asking several other employees to help.
 
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I suspect it it is a gray area here in La but at least I have a plate, working lights, chains, and have tread on the tires so I stand out as most here are suspect on all that so I have never been bothered nor expect to plus I am a nice guy ;-)

It is truly amazing some of the stuff that even rolls here......
 
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cucvmule said:
Missouri is 30 days to be registered once you reside in MO. DL and Tags must be registered. If caught and warned and caught again the vehicle is towed, unless it is a protected class.

In Missouri they could employ Troopers just for that and do not bother unless pulled over for violation, and only get warning. There are plates living in Missouri from every state. I always laugh when local truckers have Delaware plates. Popular here.
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Commercial vehicles are different, to be legal one has to pay a fee for every state they operate in, MANY companies are "formed" in Delaware but their commercial trucks have to pay fees for the states they operate in.
Every state I know of have CMVs (commercial motor vehicle) weigh stations, nobody is going to operate illegally or in a "grey area" for long without getting fined.
My sister in-law gets her plates and ins. out of SC where her brother lives but lives in NC, her insurance guy is fine with that, and she or any others like her will probably never have an issue, until lawyers happen to get involved, like the man said "you take chances in-life" just before spinning the wheel..

Another thing most do not know about Texas is all county tax assessors have the ability to issue title to any vehicle, I spent months on a Unimog that had no import papers but was purchased at a county auction, I had a book a couple inches thick with testimony explaining why customs could not provide the papers and a ton of other stuff the DMV was demanding, finally one day a supervisor was walking buy and told the agent "Just file the papers with the state and when it is rejected he can go to the county tax assessor and plead his case",
Which is exactly what happened, I made an appointment and we talked about the corporation I worked for, for about 20 minuets then he said "what about this truck" and I told him I bought it at auction and he said "where's the receipt" and the secretary that was standing there with my big pile of paperwork handed it to him and that was that, a nice blue title appeared in my mail box a couple weeks later, and that was Harris Co. probably the most populace county in the state..
 
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Mogman said:
Commercial vehicles are different, to be legal one has to pay a fee for every state they operate in, MANY companies are "formed" in Delaware but their commercial trucks have to pay fees for the states they operate in.
Every state I know of have CMVs (commercial motor vehicle) weigh stations, nobody is going to operate illegally or in a "grey area" for long without getting fined.
My sister in-law gets her plates and ins. out of SC where her brother lives but lives in NC, her insurance guy is fine with that, and she or any others like her will probably never have an issue, until lawyers happen to get involved, like the man said "you take chances in-life" just before spinning the wheel..

Another thing most do not know about Texas is all county tax assessors have the ability to issue title to any vehicle, I spent months on a Unimog that had no import papers but was purchased at a county auction, I had a book a couple inches thick with testimony explaining why customs could not provide the papers and a ton of other stuff the DMV was demanding, finally one day a supervisor was walking buy and told the agent "Just file the papers with the state and when it is rejected he can go to the county tax assessor and plead his case",
Which is exactly what happened, I made an appointment and we talked about the corporation I worked for, for about 20 minuets then he said "what about this truck" and I told him I bought it at auction and he said "where's the receipt" and the secretary that was standing there with my big pile of paperwork handed it to him and that was that, a nice blue title appeared in my mail box a couple weeks later, and that was Harris Co. probably the most populace county in the state..
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Missouri wants their tax money whether your paying your tax on fuel, commercial vehicle, or personal property tax for the county you park your truck equipment in. They do not care if your truck, trailer, equipment is titled somewhere else but if you are parking your truck in a certain county you will pay the county tax for what ever county that is. They are pizzed that other states give title without tax and then park their property here.

On personal cars, trucks, equipment, trailers, buildings, cow, horses, goats, chickens, livestock of any kind yes you have to declare every year if is in the state for more than 30 days. The revenue goes to the county it is physically in.:3dAngus:

If the truck, trailer is in the state, county for more than 30 days then you owe the tax. The commercial truck, trailer can be parked in Missouri more than 30 days with plates from Delaware has to pay a property tax in the county its parked in. Just because you pay a fuel tax does not give the owner an exemption from paying personal property tax. More complicated than discussing here, and I have possibly mucked up the thread but Missouri will get their tax whether MO. titled or not. But if you hand in a Bill of Sale and you have title then MO. will issue new title. They will search for old outdated, lost MO. title but not another state if a title was issued.
 
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Another status update.

This is very strange. Vermont DMV mailed me back the original out-of-state title from the seller and I signed and Florida "invalidated" with a handwritten note that read:

Keep this for your records - we only take year 2008 & newer in Vermont
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They kept all the other paperwork I sent them, including the bill of sale, the signed odometer statements etc.
Vermont cashed my check and it cleared. Not sure if this means they will be issuing me a new title or not.

I read that all they need is a bill of sale for anything older than 2008. Maybe this is why they returned the original title? I hope so...
 
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FlameRed said:
Another status update.

This is very strange. Vermont DMV mailed me back the original out-of-state title from the seller and I signed and Florida "invalidated" with a handwritten note that read:



They kept all the other paperwork I sent them, including the bill of sale, the signed odometer statements etc.
Vermont cashed my check and it cleared. Not sure if this means they will be issuing me a new title or not.

I read that all they need is a bill of sale for anything older than 2008. Maybe this is why they returned the original title? I hope so...
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Why not just call and ask them?
 
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It appears the DMV took the path of least resistance. They registered your vehicle and you will receive the plates. If the vehicle is older than 15 years then Vermont DMV really does not care about the title BUT if you want a title you can get one by filling out a separate form. This probably will require a VIN verification. Since the vehicle is not in Vermont this could be difficult for you but I suggest you call the DMV and explain that you would like to get the vehicle titled and it is currently not in Vermont. They might accept a document from your local LEO verifying the VIN. That is the only part of this I see as potentially difficult. I would try calling one of the branch offices directly and not calling the main number which will get you someone in Montpelier. You may get help that way or you may still have to call Montpelier, I am not sure. I would call Montpelier as a last resort. I find the DMV folks are generally quite helpful. These offices are quite small because our state is so small. There is only going to be a handfull of people in each office at most. You could begin with the Rutland office eight zero two 7 eight 6-5 eight 15. I found the listing online. I hope it is a valid phone number.
 
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Update as of Friday.

Very strange. Today I received a sticker for a license plate, with what appears to be a registration. No Title, no License Plate to put the sticker on. Very wierd, at least to me. All the states I ever registered a car the plate came with the sticker on it and matching registration and the title later. I guess Vermont is just different.

I am still hopeful a clean title will eventually come some day! A valid plate is a bonus I guess.
 
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I believe that you only get a registration card and registration plate with expiration tabs. They sent your title back to you. That is your title.
 
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