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Adjusting CUCV Injector Pump

Mike_Pop

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I did a search but found nothing on my issue:

I just changed out my injector pump with a remanufactured pump. The engine has a lot more power than before. However, there is a lot of unburned fuel coming out of the exhaust. I can really see it at night when there are headlights behind me. It's almost like a smoke screen. I'm also getting around 10mpg.

How do I adjust the IP to take in less fuel? Is it a matter of rotating the pump? If so, which way does it get rotated?
 

m38inmaine

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There is a witness mark at the top of the pump where it bolts to the engine, and a witness mark on the mating engine surface, you line them up then tighten down the three bolts, this sets your timing. As far as any fuel settings, that is factory set/calibrated.
 

motormayhem

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I think there is a cover you can take off and adjust a little screw to adjust how much fuel the pump pumps, but I am not sure where on the pump it is. Also be careful adjusting it too rich will melt things.
 

Westech

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This is the fuel screw, aligned with the access hole, adjust it clockwise to increase fuel. A small adjustment makes for a lot of fuel, think of it like a clock, 1/4 turn would be from 12 to 3, so you want to go less than that. The Banks turbo kits for GM diesels recommends 1/4 turn, but for an NA engine, you want less fuel, so 1/6th is about all you can do safely.


Same rotation of the same screw, just another way to get to that screw. In this picture, the allen wrench is in the fuel screw.
 

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Mike_Pop

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I realigned the IP but have not driven the truck yet. It was freaking cold here yesterday and the batteries got drained from cranking. I'll see if is smokes again after the alignment.
 

mr.travo

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Whatever happened with this? I have the exact same problem with my 1009. You can't really see the smoke during the day, but at night when someone is behind me and I have to give it gas, it's like a fog screen!
 

K9Vic

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I installed an IP from a 6.5L with a Banks Turbo and when I step on the gas it does the same black smoke screen behind me. I had the pump timing at first about 1/16 to the right of the scribe mark and when I lined it up the same about of smoke. Wondering if I Should I advance or retard the timing, or do I need to fix the fuel delivery? I am thinking the fuel delivery inside the pump is advanced because it was used on a turbo, so I guess I will likely have to adjust that. So then I should go a 1/4 back inside the pump (Not timing) from what I am reading here.


There is a good video on Youtube showing how to do this.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnoct-21vNY[/media]
 

cmroles

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I'm fairly new to Diesel, so please bear with me...

What exactly happens if the witness marks on the IP and engine are not lined up properly? I read earlier in here that it affects the "timing", but what does that translate into for engine operation?

Today while working under the hood I noticed the marks and see that they aren't aligned. There is somewhere like a 1/16" gap between the marks.

Is there any situation where the IP would have been rotated out of alignment on purpose?
 

CPAPPY

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I think one of my M1028 is doing the same thing I can see it in the daytime though, It smells like raw fuel, it burns your eyes , at first I thought it was burning oil.
 

jdemaris

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Pump timing marks don't mean much

I did a search but found nothing on my issue:

I just changed out my injector pump with a remanufactured pump. The engine has a lot more power than before. However, there is a lot of unburned fuel coming out of the exhaust. I can really see it at night when there are headlights behind me. It's almost like a smoke screen. I'm also getting around 10mpg.

How do I adjust the IP to take in less fuel? Is it a matter of rotating the pump? If so, which way does it get rotated?
Are you sure you got the right injection pump? Sounds like you might have one too big. A 6.2 uses a .29" pump and a 6.5 uses a .31"pump. What is the ID number on your's?

For example, this is a 6.2 pump -
DB2829-4879 10149634 1990½ HMMWV (Military) - 1.2 cSt
Note the "29" in the 5th and 6th digits. That stands for .29"

This is a 6.5 pump -
DB2831-5149 12550433 1994-96 HMMWV (Military) - N/A, 1.2 cSt (170 hp)
Note the 31 in the 5th and 6th digits. That stands for .31"

And yeah, maybe somebody took a 6.2 pump and turned the fuel up higher then it ought to be. But, that's only going to effect max fuel setting. It will NOT make it smoke badly in normal driving unless you're really working it.

On the other hand, a pump that's too big will make it smoke all the time.

In regard to timing - most people and mechanics have no way of checking it. The whole idea of lining up the marks doesn't mean much. All that does is verify that your timing will be correct when the engine is cranking or at idle speed. Does nothing to tell you if the timing is correct when the engine is pushing you down the road at highway speeds.

The Stanadyne pump has an automatic timinjg advance that advances ignition/injection timing almost 14 degrees before-top-dead-center at high RPMs. Then it drops back to no advance when idling, or just cranking it to start. So, it's easy to have a pump with the advance not working, yet you set it according to those marks - and when driving, your timing is off by 14 degrees - which is a lot.

The only ways to check timing on a 6.2s are - with a diesel timing light adapter, . . . or with a luminosity probe stuck into a glow-plug hole, or . . . with the pump off the engine and mounted on a test stand. There is another way - sort of. A timing window can be mounted on the pump -but it's hard to do with a 6.2 since the pump is kind of buried in the middle of the engine, down low.
 

jdemaris

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I installed an IP from a 6.5L with a Banks Turbo
Injection pump from a 6.5 is too big for a 6.2. Turning down the fuel delivery will not make a 6.5 pump with .31" pump-plungers, behave like the correct 6.2 pump with .29" pump plungers.
 

jdemaris

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I'm fairly new to Diesel, so please bear with me...

What exactly happens if the witness marks on the IP and engine are not lined up properly??
The witness marks will verify pump timing is correct only when the engine is cranking, or at low idle speed. And even that isn't true all the time, since slight wear in gear train, timing chain, and pump insides can require you to not use those marks.

The theory is - if a pump is known to be working pefectly with an abilty to advance timing up to 14 degrees . . . then . . . if you get the static timing correct, the advance ought to correct also. Big problem is that most pumps with miles on them don't advance exactly as they should.

If an engine is supposed to be fire at 2 degrees ATDC when cranking, and run at 12 degrees BTDC at high load and RPMs -and your advance is not working - then you'd be 14 degrees off when driving down the road -even if your lines are lined-up.

Thus the reason why -unless you have special timing tools - timing by "ear" often works best.
 

donalloy1

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Finally a thread that answers my months of unanswered questions. You all need to have your favorite beverage at this point! :beer: Thank you all for tech info!

I am getting 14-15 mpg around town. Which seems a little low from what I have seen broadcast mpg for m1009's by ss'ers. Going to have GM do dynamic test on my power pack/fuel delivery circuit assy when pump has been gone through. Then its time for alternative fuels. I'm going start running my Beagles Crap soon if I can refine it! Diesel hit 4.09 on 3/5 when I topped off here in Norcal. Should start warming up soon. Hopefully she will burn Beagle????:deadhorse:
 
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