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Zebedee... that was VERY helpful! You're right... I had thought about putting the step at a low hill climb area to aid in getting the belly over the obstacle, but i never thought about putting a slope down to help pull the second axle over... good idea... The cut out was a good idea too... I...

Angle of Approach is all I can find in any TM... and you're right M920, while helpful, it doesn't tell the whole story... I want to do a step up for the trail for the 5 tons... of course it will probably have to accommodate standard 5 tons with duals, so the A1 and A2 won't get fully worked...

Hey all, Checked my TMs and don't see it listed... anyone ever seen a figure for the vertical wall climb height for the M939 series... the standard, and the A1 / A2 models? I'm getting ready to build a new section of trail, and thinking about adding an optional vertical wall climb to a section...