The other posts about the hot dogging Apache were shut down {why?
This is a, after all a Planes and helicopters discussion group. But no matter we shall move on}
The more general subject of combat tactics today is still a valid one, but this time lets keep the wannabees, and those who supposedly have a friend who knew a cousin who knew…., and the self appointed post police out of it. We are all big boys. This thread is on topic.
If you can not contribute knowledgably, don’t read any further, and if you are not a pilot, hopefully one with combat experience, and especially gunship attacks, then stay out of the conversation, please. This is not your concern.
I do not know of any reasonable excuse for the Apache mishap except a ‘Watch this!’ , hot dogging moment, a nice show off for the troops. As I said in the other string, this is what we gunship pilots do between kills. But we make sure the CO is not around. And we know the limits of our aircraft. Every combat pilot ever has done something similar. It goes with the territory, like it or not. All combat pilots volunteer for the privilege of being shot at, shooting, and doing all we can for the effort.
Now as to my point. No one at the Apache transition course at mother Rucker or anywhere else for that matter would try and explain that crash as a combat situation, or an SOP approach. That is absurd. In any type of helicopter anywhere. I know helicopter crop dusters do something similar, but isn’t what this is about.
No one today would make a head on gun run attack, over fly the target, cyclic climb to a zero airspeed pedal turn over the target and then over fly it once more. No one alive, that is.
The Apache’s strength is the ability to attack from a stand off position, they don’t need to go head on, their weapons can fire from a safe distance, even sideways.
So if you are qualified, make your points now. Educate me.
This is a, after all a Planes and helicopters discussion group. But no matter we shall move on}
The more general subject of combat tactics today is still a valid one, but this time lets keep the wannabees, and those who supposedly have a friend who knew a cousin who knew…., and the self appointed post police out of it. We are all big boys. This thread is on topic.
If you can not contribute knowledgably, don’t read any further, and if you are not a pilot, hopefully one with combat experience, and especially gunship attacks, then stay out of the conversation, please. This is not your concern.
I do not know of any reasonable excuse for the Apache mishap except a ‘Watch this!’ , hot dogging moment, a nice show off for the troops. As I said in the other string, this is what we gunship pilots do between kills. But we make sure the CO is not around. And we know the limits of our aircraft. Every combat pilot ever has done something similar. It goes with the territory, like it or not. All combat pilots volunteer for the privilege of being shot at, shooting, and doing all we can for the effort.
Now as to my point. No one at the Apache transition course at mother Rucker or anywhere else for that matter would try and explain that crash as a combat situation, or an SOP approach. That is absurd. In any type of helicopter anywhere. I know helicopter crop dusters do something similar, but isn’t what this is about.
No one today would make a head on gun run attack, over fly the target, cyclic climb to a zero airspeed pedal turn over the target and then over fly it once more. No one alive, that is.
The Apache’s strength is the ability to attack from a stand off position, they don’t need to go head on, their weapons can fire from a safe distance, even sideways.
So if you are qualified, make your points now. Educate me.
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That is as it should be.
