Maryland Inspections and Registration Problem

JohnfLongjr

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Has anyone had a problem getting a Maryland inspection done for registration. I gust titled two 1993 M35A3 trucks for Mission BBQ and the state will not let the inspection folks do the
inspections. The Sgt at the Maryland State Police said these vehicle were not meant for highway us and they can not be licensed. I attached the letter sent to the inspection stations.
Currently Mission BBQ has 27 trucks titles and tagged in Maryland.
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This is absurd. @Ajax MD and some others have former military vehicles titled and road-legal just find in MD. I'm guessing the State Police didn't care that you already had more trucks road-legal in MD? I think you better get a hold of your state representative and explain that this is a misunderstanding.

Does Mission BBQ own the most M35A3s out of anyone? One location was opened in nearby Henrietta, NY where I saw one parked out front. Maybe I'll bring my M35A3 up and the two trucks can have a dinner date while my wife and I are on one at Mission BBQ :D
 

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Has anyone had a problem getting a Maryland inspection done for registration. I gust titled two 1993 M35A3 trucks for Mission BBQ and the state will not let the inspection folks do the
inspections. The Sgt at the Maryland State Police said these vehicle were not meant for highway us and they can not be licensed. I attached the letter sent to the inspection stations.
Currently Mission BBQ has 27 trucks titles and tagged in Maryland.
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Hey, I called Mission BBQ long ago about this, warned them. Tried to enlist their assistance. The guy blew me off and this is where we are now.
 

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Hey, I called Mission BBQ long ago about this, warned them. Tried to enlist their assistance. The guy blew me off and this is where we are now.
It actually took me a couple days to realize what exactly you were talking about. Then I remembered that MD had somewhat recently passed stupid laws restricting FMVs from driving on public roads. Mission BBQ was certainly short-sighted in refusing to help FMV enthusiasts, but that's probably because they're in the BBQ business and not the FMV business, even though FMVs seem to be an important part of their catering image.

@JohnfLongjr , I suggest telling the Mission BBQ owners that their unwillingness to help the MD FMV community is affecting their registration of the two M35A3s you mentioned, and they need to step up and advocate for the FMV community in MD. I will certainly keep this in mind when I visit the new location near me.
 

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I will certainly keep this in mind when I visit the new location near me.
I should've changed "when" to "if". I appreciate what Mission BBQ does for veteran and first responder organizations, but I can do my part to their direct benefit without having to visit a restaurant.
 

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I'm going to contact Delagate Hornberger again. This is the representative I was working with on the original bill to fix this problem.
He told me that the bill wouldn't be reintroduced this year because of a legislative backlog caused by COVID.

Here's the thing: We don't really need or want a new "law" on the books. There is currently no LAW against FMV's in Maryland. All we need to do, is get a sympathetic politician to call the MSP and tell them to knock off the bull$h!t. The state police are overstepping their authority.
 
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Ok once again, down the rabbit hole we go. Below is a quote of the letter that I have sent to my own delegate as well as Delegate Hornberger who is sympathetic to our position. If you're in Maryland, I urge you to email your delegates and CC delegate Hornberger with a similar email.

Dear Delegates Hornberger and Howard,

Your Honors,

For the past few years now, the Maryland State Police ASED (Automotive Safety Enforcement Division) has been promulgating an incorrect memorandum to all vehicle safety inspection stations forbidding these stations from conducting vehicle safety inspections on surplus military vehicles legally sold to the law-abiding public.

I'm attaching a copy of the memorandum for your review. In summary, the memo states that former military vehicles are "not meant" for driving on public roads and do not meet the FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards). This is patently false. All military vehicles comply with MIL-STD-1108-B which is the military counterpart to the FMVSS. All surplus military vehicles in civilian hands are equipped with the proper lighting systems, brakes, mirrors and other basic safety equipment required by the FMVSS (appropriate to their original year of manufacture).

The state of Maryland allows classic and antique vehicles to operate on Maryland state and federal highways that are even less so equipped for safety under special registration categories. Police and Fire departments often purchase surplus military vehicles and operate them on Maryland state and federal highways. (Example: https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/bs-md-sun-investigates-military-deals-20151017-story.html) The Maryland State Police ASED is engaged in "legislation by agency" which is unethical and does not carry the weight of law. There is currently NO law on Maryland books which regulates or prohibits the operation of surplus/former military vehicles by the civilian public (or government agencies). It is absurd on its face that the Maryland State Police have purchased HMMWV's and armored personnel carriers for operation on public roadways but claim that the law-abiding public cannot own and operate a HMMWV or unarmored cargo truck in a similar fashion.

The Maryland civilian public operates surplus military vehicles safely on our highways every single day. One of the largest and most visible examples is Mission BBQ. I personally own a former military cargo truck that served in a security capacity at the 9/11 World Trade Center site on the day of the attacks. We operate our vehicles in parades, displays and when required, we assist those in need with high water rescues and natural disaster relief efforts. Statistics on crashes and fatalities involving surplus military vehicles operated by civilians are practically non-existent because we do not represent any noteworthy hazard on public roadways.

I am writing to request your assistance in working with the ASED to direct them to rescind their illegal memorandum and stop harassing law-abiding owners of former military vehicles. We are no different than owners of vintage fire trucks and other classic vehicles who merely wish to enjoy our hobby in peace.
 

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Oh- I attached the pertinent documents such as the bogus memo and the MIL-STD.
 
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There is currently no LAW against FMV's in Maryland.

There is a legal precept that you can throw out there called "nulla pena sin lege" --- my Latin is rusty, but it roughly means that you cannot have a penalty without a law in the first place. In other words, unless it is specifically prohibited by an in-place law, any action taken by an agency would be deemed void and therefore in violation of your rights. It sort of builds on that whole "innocent until proven guilty" cornerstone that so many 'public servants' on the political food chain conveniently ignore.........

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I'm going to contact Delagate Hornberger again. This is the representative I was working with on the original bill to fix this problem.
He told me that the bill wouldn't be reintroduced this year because of a legislative backlog caused by COVID.

Here's the thing: We don't really need or want a new "law" on the books. There is currently no LAW against FMV's in Maryland. All we need to do, is get a sympathetic politician to call the MSP and tell them to knock off the bull$h!t. The state police are overstepping their authority.
And that is exactly where I stopped. I got the MSP to revise the original BS memo where they said the HMMWV was an off-road vehicle only and can't be registered. They left on the FMVSS crap. The original MSP memo had FMVSS and a picture of the title showing stamped "off-road only". It took numerous phone calls with MSP, MVA and the delegates to get this far.

I think what needs to change is an update to the Maryland law allowing for vehicles that are exempt from FMVSS at the time of manufacture to be allowed to register. Don't mention former military vehicles or HMMWVs. Just allow those vehicles that are exempt to register.

I had considered taking this to the federal level and requesting a review of our FMVSS status and then declaring that we are compliant based on our exemption. The only problem with that is sometimes by asking for a ruling it can come down on either side. Meaning we could end up in a worse place if their ruling states they shouldn't be on the roads...
 
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I think what needs to change is an update to the Maryland law allowing for vehicles that are exempt from FMVSS at the time of manufacture to be allowed to register. Don't mention former military vehicles or HMMWVs. Just allow those vehicles that are exempt to register.
I agree. It's kind of the same thing as not requiring a 1940's Ford to have shoulder seatbelts because they were exempt at the time of manufacture. You're also right about the risk of "poking the bear" when getting the Fed involved.

Our state politicians seem fixated on pandemic nonsense. I'm not sure they're interested in entertaining any bills that aren't related to somehow giving them more authority.
 

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And that is exactly where I stopped. I got the MSP to revise the original BS memo where they said the HMMWV was an off-road vehicle only and can't be registered. They left on the FMVSS crap. The original MSP memo had FMVSS and a picture of the title showing stamped "off-road only". It took numerous phone calls with MSP, MVA and the delegates to get this far.

I think what needs to change is an update to the Maryland law allowing for vehicles that are exempt from FMVSS at the time of manufacture to be allowed to register. Don't mention former military vehicles or HMMWVs. Just allow those vehicles that are exempt to register.

I had considered taking this to the federal level and requesting a review of our FMVSS status and then declaring that we are compliant based on our exemption. The only problem with that is sometimes by asking for a ruling it can come down on either side. Meaning we could end up in a worse place if their ruling states they shouldn't be on the roads...
There already is that letter, I know I've posted it numerous times, as have others.

NHTSA basically said 'it's exempt, therefore complies'.
 
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