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I've been sanding to determine the original numbers of my truck, but few have come out clearly and could be misinterpreted. Only clear stuff I've found are the '8' right behind the lower mirror mount on the passenger's side and 'ANGEL' stenciled to the rear on the driver's door. Not sure if there was something ahead of it or whether Angel was the driver.
I contacted the NYS Military Museum and and have been in touch with several retired NYARNG officers (hereinafter 'NG') as well to get some history, mebbe pictures. I got TM746-93-1 and NYARNG annual report photos. I've attached those ann rpt images in case they come in handy for someone. It took some hours going through every report from 1960 - 89 to find them and I would have missed the source if I wasn't told about it. Highlights are areas I was looking at.
I can confirm bumperette ghosts that say in part '133' and have evil grinder scratches and globbed paint exactly where the door stars would have been - but no star ghosts.
The prior owner knew what I was looking for and in digging around in old photos for another purpose, found a picture from when he 1st got the truck. I haven't seen them yet but he called and gave me the following. All letters in the photo are black over some kind of tan bumper paint, but the original fuel tank marking remants (over 24087) are white.
I now need help or comment on a bit of decoding. Below is what I've gotten so far. A couple numbers might be a bit off, but except for a character or two, we can match them up closely with the ghost characters we've uncovered, as well as the most recent information on organization from the NG people and the VIN info from Carnac and Chief_919:
Passenger Side: NYHTC 106MT
- NewYorkHqTroopCommand. NG has confirmed an 'HTC' at the time. The number is not 'NYARNG' as in the ann rpt photos from the period that I've found, and sorta different than what I've been able to figure out from the TM.
- '106' might be a misread, so I'm eager to study the photo. I've traced the 133d being regrouped under a 206th Group or Corps Support Battalion or something like that. Or NG says there might have been a 106th Maintenance Battalion -- essentially Headquarters and Headquarters Detachment or Company designed to provide command and control to subordinate maintence companies that have separate numbers.
Driver's Side: 133MT 405
- Here the '405' is a mystery because the TM (and SS) says it is commonly the truck number in the unit. I thought it would match the '8' on the passenger door because the 'ghosts' could suggest an '8'
- NG suggests '405' could be '4th Platoon, Truck 05'
Without confirmation, '405' could be a wrong number or other string of characters, the unit might have numbered all rolling stock sequentially, there might have been another convention for them or some similar explanation.
I'm continuing to look for NYARNG photos from the period to get a sense of other accurate markings. Mine vary somewhat from the TM guidelines while the ann rpt photos seem bang on. However, with these from the bumper I can certainly ad lib reasonably for the rest.
Of interest, I found a news story about at least part of the 133d going to Bosnia. NG info suggests that the truck probably wouldn't have made the trip.
Comments/ideas welcome. As always, thanks. I certainly wouldn't be this far along w/out SS.
I contacted the NYS Military Museum and and have been in touch with several retired NYARNG officers (hereinafter 'NG') as well to get some history, mebbe pictures. I got TM746-93-1 and NYARNG annual report photos. I've attached those ann rpt images in case they come in handy for someone. It took some hours going through every report from 1960 - 89 to find them and I would have missed the source if I wasn't told about it. Highlights are areas I was looking at.
I can confirm bumperette ghosts that say in part '133' and have evil grinder scratches and globbed paint exactly where the door stars would have been - but no star ghosts.
The prior owner knew what I was looking for and in digging around in old photos for another purpose, found a picture from when he 1st got the truck. I haven't seen them yet but he called and gave me the following. All letters in the photo are black over some kind of tan bumper paint, but the original fuel tank marking remants (over 24087) are white.
I now need help or comment on a bit of decoding. Below is what I've gotten so far. A couple numbers might be a bit off, but except for a character or two, we can match them up closely with the ghost characters we've uncovered, as well as the most recent information on organization from the NG people and the VIN info from Carnac and Chief_919:
Passenger Side: NYHTC 106MT
- NewYorkHqTroopCommand. NG has confirmed an 'HTC' at the time. The number is not 'NYARNG' as in the ann rpt photos from the period that I've found, and sorta different than what I've been able to figure out from the TM.
- '106' might be a misread, so I'm eager to study the photo. I've traced the 133d being regrouped under a 206th Group or Corps Support Battalion or something like that. Or NG says there might have been a 106th Maintenance Battalion -- essentially Headquarters and Headquarters Detachment or Company designed to provide command and control to subordinate maintence companies that have separate numbers.
Driver's Side: 133MT 405
- Here the '405' is a mystery because the TM (and SS) says it is commonly the truck number in the unit. I thought it would match the '8' on the passenger door because the 'ghosts' could suggest an '8'
- NG suggests '405' could be '4th Platoon, Truck 05'
Without confirmation, '405' could be a wrong number or other string of characters, the unit might have numbered all rolling stock sequentially, there might have been another convention for them or some similar explanation.
I'm continuing to look for NYARNG photos from the period to get a sense of other accurate markings. Mine vary somewhat from the TM guidelines while the ann rpt photos seem bang on. However, with these from the bumper I can certainly ad lib reasonably for the rest.
Of interest, I found a news story about at least part of the 133d going to Bosnia. NG info suggests that the truck probably wouldn't have made the trip.
Comments/ideas welcome. As always, thanks. I certainly wouldn't be this far along w/out SS.
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