Safe Starting Fluid ?

[oldshep]

Does anyone know if there is a starting fluid or something similar that lubricates the the cylinder walls and is easier on a diesel than ether. I heard that wd-40 might work . My engine is an LDT-465-1D. Your input is greatly appreciated.

 

[cranetruck]

Your engine should start easily down to 10°F without any aids. Below that a properly operating flame heater (intake manifold heater) should enable you to start the vehicle. If it's really cold, a coolant and oil pan heater is needed (arctic kit) as well.
Ether can be used in small dosages while cranking (Ether kit, used on newer models).

 

[oldshep]

The truck has had the engine out for 8 months and i just wanted it to start up quick so it could get oil pressure faster.

 

[acetomatoco]

Totally the wrong thing to do.. with ether you get more compression pressure and force on engine parts due to its explosive force... By cranking with the starter you are just dragging the pistons and rods around and not hurting them. Oil pressure can come up for you if you leave the engine stop control pulled out then push it in to start... If you are paranoid about it, install a pump driven pre oiler...Me, I justs starts em up and remember that oil is circulating from the first crank and it takes time for it to get to the sending unit and to fill the filter canisters...just don't rev it up for a few seconds....

 

[CCATLETT1984]

use dry silicone spray, works great and is mostly propane (much easier on the engine than ether) Also its completely safe for diesels with working glow plugs.

 

[Bill W]

WD-40

 

[nf6x]

Re: RE: Safe Starting Fluid ?

Ether can be used in small dosages while cranking (Ether kit, used on newer models).

My M35A2C came out of the GL auction with an ether injection kit in place of the regular flame heater. I hadn't seen this setup before. The old spark plug hole was open when I got the truck, so I plugged it with some random spark plug that I bought at AutoZone that had the same thread size. I haven't seen the pressurized ether cannister for this kit, but then it never gets cold enough here to need a starting aid on a deuce. I wouldn't mind finding a cannister (even empty) for looks.

 

[M543A2]

To nf6x looking for canister: They are sold an many farm equipment dealers. They look a lot like a propane torch bottle. Our local AGCO dealer has them.
Regards Marti

 

[ken]

If it hasen't leaked down and the in tank fuel pumps works. Then let the pump run for a minute and try to start it with about 1/8 to 1/4 throttle. It should fire pretty fast. But i would turn it over with the engine stop pulled to let the oil pressuere come up. If you batteries are in good shape.

 

[WillWagner]

Mark, I have a bottle at work, NIB, it's the shorter one, about as tall as a bottle of camp stove gas. PM me.

 

[nf6x]

Regarding the ether cannister: Would the military have used off-the-shelf cannisters identical to what I'd get from an ag supplier, or would they have their own production contract with the usual (beautiful) OD paint and black lettering?

Regarding the original topic that I so thoughtlessly hijacked: I agree with the advice of:

1) running the in-tank pump for a minute or two to help ensure the low pressure side of the fuel system is primed for a quick start

2) cranking with the engine stop pulled to get some oil moving around

3) finally, starting up the engine

If you have another running MV with a 24V electrical system and a slave cable, I'd suggest using it to help prop up the batteries while you're cranking for oil pressure. Otherwise, I'd at least throw the batteries onto chargers overnight to make sure they're fully charged.

 

[houdel]

The ether start cannister is a very common item. My truck came with a ether system, I bought a spare cannister at the local auto parts store for $24. They didn't have it in stock and had to order it, had it 24 hrs later. The ether cylinders come in a two different sizes, the stock Deuce system (at least the system in my truck) is the same size as a propane cylinder, 7/8"" thread (I think, ether cylinders come in two thread sizes, I believe 1" or 7/8" thread, the stock Deuce system is the smaller and cheaper of the two sizes), x 18 oz net weight, 33 oz gross weight. DON'T try using a propane cylinder, the vaporization temperature of propane is much lower than ether and the propane won't work.

 

[emmado22]

http://www.quickstart-ether.com/products.php

Thats the same orange/red canister that the Army gets their ether in.. Same company also!

 

[CatMan]

Starting Fluid

The ether kits provide a metered amount that is matched to engine size and has a nozzle that must to positioned correctly in the manifold.

If you insist on carrying a spare - don't keep it in the cab. A bounce on the suspension seat = hole in can= you are asleep at the wheel before you know what happened.

I'm for using good batteries, run the fuel transfer pump. and us the manifold heater as designed. Or wait for warmer weather, It's a hobby!

Cat Man

 

[houdel]

Re: Starting Fluid

If you insist on carrying a spare - don't keep it in the cab. A bounce on the suspension seat = hole in can= you are asleep at the wheel before you know what happened. Cat Man

Both my Deuce, which came with a military installed ether system, and my absolutely brand new and unused, in a Hercules branded box NOS ether start system have a spare cylinder clamp which attaches to the inner LH headlamp panel.

 

[nf6x]

RE: Re: Starting Fluid

I think my truck has a spare bottle mount around that area, too.

 

[emmado22]

That is correct placement for the spare bottle as per the installation instruction sheet.

 

[cranetruck]

That's where my alcohol evaporator bottle goes, guess it should be mounted somewhere else...hmmm....