Spicer auxiliary box in my M820

msgjd

Well-known member
Steel Soldiers Supporter
283
476
63
Location
upstate ny
I mainly want the auxiliary box so I can have two more gears (3 over, 4 under) between 3rd and 4th.
don't ya just love the dreaded 3rd-4th hole? .. With the stock tranny/xfer, you might know you already have a few splits in there to break up the 3rd-4th Hi hole, they being within the sequence of 2nd Lo, 3rd Lo, 4th Lo, 5th Lo, 4th Hi , 5th Hi and vice versa for downshift with a double-clutch into Lo side 5th after you start to lose speed in 4th Hi.. Gotta catch it early. It is not a perfect solution for the dreaded hole, but I have been using it since my first days of being shown it in army MTOC... Granted, I still curse the one(s) responsible for deciding the ratios in the 6453 spicer would be okay in a straight-stick truck, especially any 6x6 that's a bit underpowered for the road to begin with. I have also experienced the 6453 (and 6352-direct) in a few 1970s civilian trucks. Their 2-speed rear axle ratios made the dreaded 3rd-4th hole not nearly as severe as it is in 5-tons... IMHO, because of the Lo side available in a 6x6 transfer case, there appears to be no logical reason as to why the dreaded hole couldn't have been eliminated by using a tranny having a faster 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear ratio.. Every time I am heavy and pulling a hill, I still curse just like I have done for 45 years ..

The spicer 6352 direct-5th has better ratio spacing than the 6453-OD and not as severe of a 3-4 hole, but it cannot be put in a diesel or multifuel without losing up to 10mph top speed, depending whether it's put with a mack, cummins, or mutifuel.. Yes there are some A2 rebuilds that have the 6352 direct, my M62 is one of them and I am happy it does because it needs all the help it can get to get itself down the road, lol

Don't get me wrong, both models are good trannies, but there must've been another good spicer model better-suited for our favorite trucks, instead of a couple that were deemed "not perfect but close enough"
 
Last edited:

Mullaney

Well-known member
Supporting Vendor
5,480
12,524
113
Location
Charlotte NC
don't ya just love the dreaded 3rd-4th hole? .. With the stock tranny/xfer, you might know you already have a few splits in there to break up the 3rd-4th Hi hole, they being within the sequence of 2nd Lo, 3rd Lo, 4th Lo, 5th Lo, 4th Hi , 5th Hi and vice versa for downshift with a double-clutch into Lo side 5th after you start to lose speed in 4th Hi.. Gotta catch it early. It is not a perfect solution for the dreaded hole, but I have been using it since my first days of being shown it in army MTOC... Granted, I still curse the one(s) responsible for deciding the ratios in the 6453 spicer would be okay in a straight-stick truck, especially any 6x6 that's a bit underpowered for the road to begin with. I have also experienced the 6453 (and 6352-direct) in a few 1970s civilian trucks. Their 2-speed rear axle ratios made the dreaded 3rd-4th hole not nearly as severe as it is in 5-tons... IMHO, because of the Lo side available in a 6x6 transfer case, there appears to be no logical reason as to why the dreaded hole couldn't have been eliminated by using a tranny having a faster 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear ratio.. Every time I am heavy and pulling a hill, I still curse just like I have done for 45 years .. Don't get me wrong, both models are good trannies, but there must've been another good spicer model better-suited for our favorite trucks, instead of a couple that were deemed "not perfect but close enough"
.
Yeah, but even though it is sad that the 4/5 jump is pretty crummy - having a clutch peddle alone is pretty wonderful.

Promoted to the Lowest Level Of Incompetence - or - Incapable of Driving a Stick. Not sure which is worse and did the incompetence have something to do with why everything these days has an automatic transmission
 

hethead

Active member
122
115
43
Location
Seattle, WA.
don't ya just love the dreaded 3rd-4th hole? .. With the stock tranny/xfer, you might know you already have a few splits in there to break up the 3rd-4th Hi hole, they being within the sequence of 2nd Lo, 3rd Lo, 4th Lo, 5th Lo, 4th Hi , 5th Hi and vice versa for downshift with a double-clutch into Lo side 5th after you start to lose speed in 4th Hi.. Gotta catch it early. It is not a perfect solution for the dreaded hole, but I have been using it since my first days of being shown it in army MTOC... Granted, I still curse the one(s) responsible for deciding the ratios in the 6453 spicer would be okay in a straight-stick truck, especially any 6x6 that's a bit underpowered for the road to begin with. I have also experienced the 6453 (and 6352-direct) in a few 1970s civilian trucks. Their 2-speed rear axle ratios made the dreaded 3rd-4th hole not nearly as severe as it is in 5-tons... IMHO, because of the Lo side available in a 6x6 transfer case, there appears to be no logical reason as to why the dreaded hole couldn't have been eliminated by using a tranny having a faster 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear ratio.. Every time I am heavy and pulling a hill, I still curse just like I have done for 45 years .. Don't get me wrong, both models are good trannies, but there must've been another good spicer model better-suited for our favorite trucks, instead of a couple that were deemed "not perfect but close enough"
Couldn’t agree more. Admittedly I made it worse by adding taller tires to get better road speed. I’ve been doing the lo 2-5, hi 4-5 for a little while. Getting better at it but it’s never a guarantee I’ll hit the shift on the transfer!
 

msgjd

Well-known member
Steel Soldiers Supporter
283
476
63
Location
upstate ny
Yeah, but even though it is sad that the 4/5 jump
I know you mean to say the 3- 4 jump cuz I know you know the subject matter quite well .. Unless you are talking about the 4-5 jump in the 6352 direct-5th, which was a bit hard on gasser 5-tons ;)
 
Last edited:
Top
AdBlock Detected

We get it, advertisements are annoying!

Sure, ad-blocking software does a great job at blocking ads, but it also blocks useful features of our website like our supporting vendors. Their ads help keep Steel Soldiers going. Please consider disabling your ad blockers for the site. Thanks!

I've Disabled AdBlock
No Thanks