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"We the children" an observation about our civil liberties when collecting MV curios
Hello all, New to the site but like what I see here.
Up to this point my budget has limited me to scale models and remote control replicas. I feel extremely fortunate to have some engineering skills and the ability to work hands on with a piece of machinery and enjoy that feeling of problem solving and accomplishment.
So recently I was going to take on building another bigger better Jeep XJ and maybe even stuff an LS1 under the bonnet. The I thought, why put a lot of money into making a common vehicle unique when I could get some thing already unique with a little history allowing me to preserve it. I have always liked the HMMHV or really anything you could consider military collectable or military curio.
One of the G scale 1:32 trains I am working on was to include a Ft. Lost in the Woods train convey with a mixed payload from maybe M48A2 Series , M60, M103, a few HMMWV, APU(s)/MPU(s), etc etc etc.
I am actually going somewhere with all this babble. Better to give you idea who I am and how I think, and how I got to this point.
I started looking for a HMMWV project or even a club here in central Florida that did MV rehabilitation for a museum or such. I use to belong to the Southeast Railroad restorations down in Miami years ago. I had always be under the impression the military put a 10 year life cycle on HMMWV, I almost cried when I read the limitations of what has been imposed on the purchase of the vehicles or any almost any combat vehicle. Yes the very items that at the end of the day really belong to us "We the people who pay the taxes to keep this great nation's military going". The very same items our hard earned tax dollars paid for I can no longer collect or reuse is some capacity or other means of keeping these surplus items in a continued civilian service role. "Yes that mean even for a memorial day parade"
I understand the need to protect our fellow citizens, but the ones our government claims they protecting are the very same one who cannot buy or own this surplus in a novelty capacity. I know things change and its not the way it was years back when you could take a trip to the local DMRO/DLA and pick up a few items. Now its a private company and its a rat race to make a buck and those wanting to preserve was few items remain are left out in the cold. I am ok with filling out a few forms and letting them make the item safe from firing ammunition or removing the TS hardware. But give me the option, let me have the freedom to try to obtain a reusable vehicle. You can keep the TS active armor I have no use for it.
You and I, "We the people", this is suppose to be our soil. We elect officials handle daily operation of that land. But we should never let them decide anything that compromises our civil liberties. When it comes to business decisions, that has an affect on our freedoms and civil liberties, They need to step aside and vote on it with the rest of their fellow citizens. We should be making the decisions not bureaucrats cowing to the scared few. The ones who have not paid the cost to enjoy such freedoms. The ones who want control, the ones who do not trust his fellow citizen. The ones that want everything handed to them or feels they should be the only one making the decisions. Besides being a citizen of this great country I am lucky to have this privilege as I am also lucky to have a second country that calls me one of its people. I am also a dual-ee Canadian or more specific a Newfie. I was born on US soil while my American father and Canadian mother where state-side. As I wrote above I understand if you have to jump through a few hoops to obtained and prove your not going to drive an M1 through congress. That you want to as a collector and I have no reason to have the need to use the active armor or barrel rifling one day. As I also wrote give me that chance don't cut me off cold. I did a little checking at it is easier for me to own such items in Newfoundland than it is in Florida. This more sad than it is aggravating. I feel as if we have went from
co-worker and he made a comment that stopped me in my tracks. He said "Since 911 the government has put all kinds of laws in place to keep us safe" WHAT? I replied. One of two things have happened. One, we gave up our rights and threw our well being blindly in the hands of the government we elected because we were too scared to face who we are. or two, we have been invaded by another country who is wining and has taken control of our government. Either way we allowed this to happen, we are the ones responsible. We have given into the soccer mom mentality. We have blame our government for failing to protect, blame them for not providing to the poor, blame them for this, blame them for that. Instead it should be blame the criminal who attacked us, blame the misspending. Blame the problems. Stop taking away my freedoms because someone else abused them. Get rid of zero tolerance, get rid of anything that keeps us from doing the hard work that it takes to build and maintain this great country. "We the People" to "We the Children"
With all that being said, Are there any groups who are starting or have started small and moved up the ladder to get some of these law regulations for disposal changed?
The Iraq army and ISIS can own and operate a working M1 Abrams or HMMWV for offensive destructive use, but we can even obtain a out of service "made safe" version for our local veterans and collectors to keep as a collectable to preserve and remember history. I have a better chance bringing in British or Russian hardware than I do getting a recently decommissioned HMMWV.
If something I wrote does not make sense or you want me to elaborate please ask. I am not perfect and unlike most I do understand and respect there are other points of view.
Hello all, New to the site but like what I see here.
Up to this point my budget has limited me to scale models and remote control replicas. I feel extremely fortunate to have some engineering skills and the ability to work hands on with a piece of machinery and enjoy that feeling of problem solving and accomplishment.
So recently I was going to take on building another bigger better Jeep XJ and maybe even stuff an LS1 under the bonnet. The I thought, why put a lot of money into making a common vehicle unique when I could get some thing already unique with a little history allowing me to preserve it. I have always liked the HMMHV or really anything you could consider military collectable or military curio.
One of the G scale 1:32 trains I am working on was to include a Ft. Lost in the Woods train convey with a mixed payload from maybe M48A2 Series , M60, M103, a few HMMWV, APU(s)/MPU(s), etc etc etc.
I am actually going somewhere with all this babble. Better to give you idea who I am and how I think, and how I got to this point.
I started looking for a HMMWV project or even a club here in central Florida that did MV rehabilitation for a museum or such. I use to belong to the Southeast Railroad restorations down in Miami years ago. I had always be under the impression the military put a 10 year life cycle on HMMWV, I almost cried when I read the limitations of what has been imposed on the purchase of the vehicles or any almost any combat vehicle. Yes the very items that at the end of the day really belong to us "We the people who pay the taxes to keep this great nation's military going". The very same items our hard earned tax dollars paid for I can no longer collect or reuse is some capacity or other means of keeping these surplus items in a continued civilian service role. "Yes that mean even for a memorial day parade"
I understand the need to protect our fellow citizens, but the ones our government claims they protecting are the very same one who cannot buy or own this surplus in a novelty capacity. I know things change and its not the way it was years back when you could take a trip to the local DMRO/DLA and pick up a few items. Now its a private company and its a rat race to make a buck and those wanting to preserve was few items remain are left out in the cold. I am ok with filling out a few forms and letting them make the item safe from firing ammunition or removing the TS hardware. But give me the option, let me have the freedom to try to obtain a reusable vehicle. You can keep the TS active armor I have no use for it.
You and I, "We the people", this is suppose to be our soil. We elect officials handle daily operation of that land. But we should never let them decide anything that compromises our civil liberties. When it comes to business decisions, that has an affect on our freedoms and civil liberties, They need to step aside and vote on it with the rest of their fellow citizens. We should be making the decisions not bureaucrats cowing to the scared few. The ones who have not paid the cost to enjoy such freedoms. The ones who want control, the ones who do not trust his fellow citizen. The ones that want everything handed to them or feels they should be the only one making the decisions. Besides being a citizen of this great country I am lucky to have this privilege as I am also lucky to have a second country that calls me one of its people. I am also a dual-ee Canadian or more specific a Newfie. I was born on US soil while my American father and Canadian mother where state-side. As I wrote above I understand if you have to jump through a few hoops to obtained and prove your not going to drive an M1 through congress. That you want to as a collector and I have no reason to have the need to use the active armor or barrel rifling one day. As I also wrote give me that chance don't cut me off cold. I did a little checking at it is easier for me to own such items in Newfoundland than it is in Florida. This more sad than it is aggravating. I feel as if we have went from
co-worker and he made a comment that stopped me in my tracks. He said "Since 911 the government has put all kinds of laws in place to keep us safe" WHAT? I replied. One of two things have happened. One, we gave up our rights and threw our well being blindly in the hands of the government we elected because we were too scared to face who we are. or two, we have been invaded by another country who is wining and has taken control of our government. Either way we allowed this to happen, we are the ones responsible. We have given into the soccer mom mentality. We have blame our government for failing to protect, blame them for not providing to the poor, blame them for this, blame them for that. Instead it should be blame the criminal who attacked us, blame the misspending. Blame the problems. Stop taking away my freedoms because someone else abused them. Get rid of zero tolerance, get rid of anything that keeps us from doing the hard work that it takes to build and maintain this great country. "We the People" to "We the Children"
With all that being said, Are there any groups who are starting or have started small and moved up the ladder to get some of these law regulations for disposal changed?
The Iraq army and ISIS can own and operate a working M1 Abrams or HMMWV for offensive destructive use, but we can even obtain a out of service "made safe" version for our local veterans and collectors to keep as a collectable to preserve and remember history. I have a better chance bringing in British or Russian hardware than I do getting a recently decommissioned HMMWV.
If something I wrote does not make sense or you want me to elaborate please ask. I am not perfect and unlike most I do understand and respect there are other points of view.
