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TacticalDoc

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Ok ,I have been doing some more reseach and now I'm thinking of just getting a ham radio and license instead of a scanner. Makes more sense to recieve and transmit.

I'm going to order a book for ham radios then take the test. Now I have 3 questions;

1. What book ...for someone who doesnt know much about radios?

2. What HAM Radio for a SHTF scenario? I want to listen in on emergency frequencies mostly just in case of a SHTF scenario. I also want something portable. I would like it to be water proof and shock proof if possible

3. Am I allowed to listen and not transmit if I dont have a license? Just want to play with it until I get one.
 
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Truckoholic

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Ok ,I have been doing some more reseach and now I'm thinking of just getting a ham radio and license instead of a scanner. Makes more sense to recieve and transmit.

I'm going to order a book for ham radios then take the test. Now I have 3 questions;

1. What book ...for someone who doesnt know much about radios?

2. What HAM Radio for a SHTF scenario? I want to listen in on emergency frequencies mostly just in case of a SHTF scenario. I also want something portable. I would like it to be water proof and shock proof if possible

3. Am I allowed to listen and not transmit if I dont have a license? Just want to play with it until I get one.

The links DieselBob posted are good. And yes, the Technician test is actually pretty easy. The General Class, and Extra Class tests are much more involved. I am a General. I have not been able to accomplish Extra yet. Way too much studying for my brain at this time! General and Extra allows you use of more frequencies, particularly the HF bands down in the 1.8 to 30 MHZ bands which is where you can communicate with people in other countries or on the other side of the US by bouncing your radio signal off the ionosphere. But for now, for what you want, the Technician license should be great!

Some really good portable multi band, and multi frequency radios that work quite effectively as scanners are the Yaesu VX7R's. The problem with most portable hand held ham radios is that they generally only receive from about 136 to 174 MHZ and therefore you can't listen to much emergency communications. But a radio like the VX7R can receive all the way from something like .500mhz up to 1300mhz. They have the newer VX8RD, and it is a pretty cool little radio, and I bought one, but ended up turning around and selling it because the speaker is so weak and quiet I could barely hear the thing if there was any kind of noise going on at all. Even in my quiet chevy suburban, I could not even hear the audio worth a crap when I was driving. But the VX7R has much better audio.

But then the problem is, I am not aware of any trunking ham radios, so with only a ham radio you are going to be limited as to what you can effectively listen to. But you are right! Why only listen when you can have the ability to transmit as well. I am part of an emergency radio communications group in our church where we prepare to be able to provide emergency communications over the airwaves in case something takes out the phones and things.

Yes you can own a ham radio without a license. It's just up to you not to transmit on bands that you are not licensed to transmit on. But no problem with owning one and getting familiar with it and listening while you are preparing to take the test. There are a lot of idiots out there that get their hands on ham radios and transmit all kinds of annoying stuff on the bands, and really make the hobby a pain for the rest of us.

So yeah, for sure get your ham radio license, and a radio, and then you can have fun with the hobby, and also help out, or be able to get help when other forms of communication are down. And you can get all the scanners you want and have them mounted however you want in your car, and the cops can't touch you:grin:

Also, keep in mind that most hand held ham radios have a maximum transmit power of 5 watts which is fine if you are fairly close to who you are talking to, or if you are close to the repeater that you are talking through. Whereas mobile ham radios generally put out 50 watts, some of them a little more. But with a mobile 50 watt radio and an external antenna you will GREATLY increase your talking distance. But yeah, handheld radios are for sure quite handy to have.
 
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TacticalDoc

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Lots of good information! Maybe I'll get a mobile and/or hand held as well as mobile trunked scanner. I want the ability to listen on emergency frequencies. I think that's very important in knowing whats going on in case of a SHTF scenario. I'd rather get it first hand from emergency frequencies instead of from a questionable second hand source on a HAM radio. However, I'd like to communicate if needed also.

So, for a SHTF scenario it would be best to have a trunked scanner and a powerful mobile HAM radio.

What mobile Ham radio do you recommend?
 

Flyingvan911

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I like the Gordon West books. I used them for my Technician and General license. Ham radio is a blast and you can get basic equipment for budget prices. You'd be amazed how well you can do with a very basic set up.

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Truckoholic

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So far this is what I'm thinking:

GRE 500 Scanner
Yaesu VX-7R 10 watt unlocked
Yaesu FT-7900R or 8900E


What do you think?



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That would pretty much be my ideal setup! I've been wanting to get the Ft-8900 for quite a while. The awesome thing is, that together with the VX7R, you can use your vehicle as your own repeater since the 8900 has cross band repeat capability. So like if you are going to be hiking down into a canyon or something, you can leave your vehicle parked up at the top where the mobile radio has good reception of distant repeaters, and set it up on cross band repeat mode, then have your hand held radio with you, and from down in the bottom of the canyon where you would have no hope of any radio communications otherwise, now you can with your handheld going through your vehicles radio. It's really cool. Even if you want to be sitting in your recliner in your house with your handheld radio, and have access to the higher power radio out in the car. It's quite an awesome feature.

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TacticalDoc

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What about the ICOM IC-2720H or Kenwood TM-V71 which have cross repeating technology too.

It seems like some of the reviews on the Yaesu 8900E were disappointed with the non lighting buttons and cheap knobs. I also see bad reviews on the ICOM.

What about the Quad band antennas? Recommended?
 
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Truckoholic

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What about the ICOM IC-2720H or Kenwood TM-V71 which have cross repeating technology too.

It seems like some of the reviews on the Yaesu 8900E were disappointed with the non lighting buttons and cheap knobs. I also see bad reviews on the ICOM.

What about the Quad band antennas? Recommended?
You know what's kind of funny? Maybe even stupid on my part. ha ha. I am a big yaesu radio fan. I've just always liked their design. But the stupid thing is.......Every single last one of my Yaesu radios has had major problems that required me to send them in to Yaesu to have them repaired. That is pretty pathetic! I have owned about 6 different yaesu radios, and I kid you not, every one of them has had major problems. Like the volume knobs no longer controlling the volume, or just not powering on anymore, or one of them the display will show all kinds of random garbled crap anytime the microphone hears loud noises. It is the weirdest thing. I have also had problems with Kenwoods, but I think they are a decent radio. I think that Icom is probably actually one of the more reliable radio makes. I've got an Icom 706MKIIG for HF in my car. I have not had any problems with it so far.

Looks like the Icom 2720H has some fairly negative reviews as well. Hmm. But, some people could find negative in just about everything. I guess you just have to spend some time finding the stuff with the least negatives. ha ha
ICOM IC-2720H Product Reviews
 

TacticalDoc

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eham is where I was checking the reviews and it looks like the least negative posts were about the Kenwood which is actully the cheaper ($100 bucks cheaper) cross repeating radio.
 

Truckoholic

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eham is where I was checking the reviews and it looks like the least negative posts were about the Kenwood which is actully the cheaper ($100 bucks cheaper) cross repeating radio.
Oooh yeah, the Kenwood V71A does look like a good radio. I know atleast one guy who has one in his logging truck and he really likes it, and I've been interested in them as well. And if you get it from here Kenwood TM-V71A TMV71A Mobile Radio it is only $380! ****, I think I just might order myself one right now! I don't currently have a cross band repeat capable radio in my vehicle, and I have missed it.

As for your question about quad band antennas..... I don't really know. I've never owned one. I've owned lots of dual band antennas and they always have worked pretty good. Usually an antenna that is designed to work only on one specific band works the best, but most of these newer radios only have one antenna connector for both bands, so you almost have to use a single multi band antenna unless you get an external duplexer. So yeah, I think the multi band antennas are just fine.
 
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