1960 M38A1 dana 25 Front Axle shaft Removal

[highfavor1004]

I have already removed the differential cover and removed all connection parts as in the key pin and the top and lower spider gears. I have also went a head and removed the drum down to the back plate taking the shoes and brake cylinder out. I opened the wheel lock and removed the big and smaller snap ring. I took the bolts of the back plate thinking that it would go a head and free the shaft but it did not. I looks as if i have to remove the hold hub assembly. When I pull on the axle shaft it moves only a 1/4 inch and stops. It looks as the is another washer preventing me from removing the axle.

 

[NDT]

Once you remove the hub and spindle, the axle shaft will pull right out. You should not have messed with the spider gears.

 

[highfavor1004]

okay I am trying to locate the tm; however, so I have to remover the hub assembly right

 

[gringeltaube]

to what NDT said. 2 spindle nuts, hub assy, then the spindle.
G.

 

[highfavor1004]

This is my first jeep so bare with me I am trying to bring this one back to life. Ok, here is some pictures and i found the TM 9-8014 on page 245

 

[NDT]

Tm9-8014.

 

[scottgs]

This is a front axle, right? With a steering knuckle? Am I wrong in thinking there's a universal joint attached to the other end of the shaft? Don't see how that's going to come out without removing the hub, and spindle. But then I don't really know the M38 that well and probably shouldn't be posting stuff I don't know.

 

[NDT]

There's your problem, that is not a M38A1, it is a CJ5 with open knuckles, entirely different setup.

 

[highfavor1004]

okay thank you I thought so do I go about it a different way

 

[highfavor1004]

is the axle still a dana 25?

 

[scottgs]

Do you have the hub nut socket? The big 2 1/16" one?

It's been 20 years since I messed with a CJ5, but from what I recall, look inside the hub and see the big hub nuts, they are about 2" OD and held in place with locking tabs on the washer that is sandwiched between the inner and out hub nuts. Take a flat screwdriver and punch, wedge up where on edge fo the locking washer is flattened against the nut, carefully use punch to un-flatten it enough to get the big socket on the nut. Then remove the outer nut with the big socket. It's RH threaded like normal. Then remove the big locking washer, then remove the inner nut with the big socket. At this point the bearings and hub should be free. Then pull off the complete hub assembly with bearings. The outer bearing will fall out, so catch it. The inner bearing will be trapped by the oil seal.

Once you have the hub off, then unbolte the backing plate and spindle. The plate will come off, then the spindle. The spindle will probably need some encouragement from a dead-blow hammer. Just tap it on the sides until it's loose. Then it should come off, and then the axle shaft should pull right out complete with U-joint and inner shaft. As gunked up as it looks, this may take some work to get it out, but it should pull out, I think.

Someone will surely be around shortly to tell you how to do it right.

 

[gringeltaube]

is the axle still a dana 25?

Nope! That's a DANA #30


G.

 

[highfavor1004]

Do you have the hub nut socket? The big 2 1/16" one?

It's been 20 years since I messed with a CJ5, but from what I recall, look inside the hub and see the big hub nuts, they are about 2" OD and held in place with locking tabs on the washer that is sandwiched between the inner and out hub nuts. Take a flat screwdriver and punch, wedge up where on edge fo the locking washer is flattened against the nut, carefully use punch to un-flatten it enough to get the big socket on the nut. Then remove the outer nut with the big socket. It's RH threaded like normal. Then remove the big locking washer, then remove the inner nut with the big socket. At this point the bearings and hub should be free. Then pull off the complete hub assembly with bearings. The outer bearing will fall out, so catch it. The inner bearing will be trapped by the oil seal.

Once you have the hub off, then unbolte the backing plate and spindle. The plate will come off, then the spindle. The spindle will probably need some encouragement from a dead-blow hammer. Just tap it on the sides until it's loose. Then it should come off, and then the axle shaft should pull right out complete with U-joint and inner shaft. As gunked up as it looks, this may take some work to get it out, but it should pull out, I think.

Someone will surely be around shortly to tell you how to do it right.

I know what your talking about kinda what the duece has holding the bearing back. the problem is there is nothing like that when i opened here up. here is what i am looking at.

 

[highfavor1004]

I was confused when i read this from Jeep CJ (From 1954 to 1965 the CJ-5 used the Dana 25, then the Dana 27 replaced the Dana 25 and was used until 1971. From 1972 to 1983, the Dana 30 was used in the CJ-5.) that is why I thought it had the dana 25

 

[scottgs]

Doesn't look like I remember for early CJ5. However, I think it's the same concept, just a different spindle nut design. If you wipe off the grease, are there four slots in that round piece that should be the nut? If so, it just means a different socket for the nut. This is common on later Dana axles. Here's a photo of the nuts and locking washer:

Dana 30 Dana 44 Front Spindle Nut Washer Kit | eBay

But, like I said, you need a Jeep expert. I'm not one.

 

[gringeltaube]

........ here is what i am looking at.

What you see in there is the outer spindle nut that comes for the (Warn)automatic locking hubs, replacing the factory hex- or 4-slotted nut.
Clean it well and try to find a small allen set screw (5/32-32tpi) inside one of the threaded holes. That is what locks that part to the locking washer, in between inner and outer nut.

Pic shows #30 spindle and outer nut...


G.

 

[highfavor1004]

Thank you, yea I have to take the spindle nuts off and disconect the steering linkage. Then once I do that I have tp seperat the spindle points the the axle shaft will then comes out. From what I can gather. It looks as if I didn't even need to take the drum off. I could have left the unit in one peice.

 

[highfavor1004]

okay i don't think the king pin come apart to pull the axle shaft. Because the King pin bolt will not clear the housing with axle shaft yoke in the way

 

[gringeltaube]

Okay....... Not clear what your plan really was - or is?

You said this is your first.... and it appeared you came here looking for help. Then got good info and advice, as how to proceed. And then still apply your own method....!?
Q: are you just trying to teach others of the many ways NOT to pull the axle shafts of a #30 front axle, or what.....????


Can't help you with this.... sorry!


G.

 

[highfavor1004]

Okay....... Not clear what your plan really was - or is?

You said this is your first.... and it appeared you came here looking for help. Then got good info and advice, as how to proceed. And then still apply your own method....!?
Q: are you just trying to teach others of the many ways NOT to pull the axle shafts of a #30 front axle, or what.....????


Can't help you with this.... sorry!


G.

Once again this is a Dana 25, not a 30. if it was a 30 then I would just watch the you tube video on how to go about this however being that this is Dana 25/CJ open knuckle. I was trying to ascertain how to go about this with out having to buying a manual. I see that your a Moderator and I hope that i am fallowing the rules and guide lines when i say if you have nothing positive to say do not say nothing at all. Thank you.