G749 preservation

[Stan Leschert]

Pre lube the crap out of it. Pull the plugs, dump some 40 wt down the holes. Yank the dist, and preload the oil pump with preasure. THEN, bar it over slowly. After, clean it and prep for a really short fire up. Rollie, the Goalie/ the wrench basher had better be there to stupervise. Wreck this one and I am personally gonna fly out there to box your ears!

 

[steelypip]

Concur on massive amounts of prelube. Make sure you get all the rockers. I'd probably put a little of something like EP gear lube down the plug holes to lube the rings (let's hope the inhibitor did what it was supposed to do). I'm guessing there's some way to spin the oil pump without turning the engine (as on most GM designs). Make up whatever tool you need for it and then do so. Fill the sump and then spin the pump until you've got rated pressure (I use my 3/4" drill for this and a piece of bar stock with a custom-ground end for my Chevies), then slowly turn the engine through (at least two full revs) while keeping pressure on. That will get you oil into all the passages that only line up once every so often. You can't overdo the preoiling, and it's also very hard to hurt anything while you're doing it.

 

[cmpman]

I recently started my deuce engine that had not been run for 28 years, and had the valve cover off all that time. I had to remove the head to free up valves, and oiled the cylinders at that time. After cleaning out the oil pan and installing fresh oil, I did the drill thing with a screwdriver attachment through the distributor hole. I watched until oil came through the valve train galleries. Engine started without any issues and runs like a top.

Eastern Rebuilders was a decent name back then in the DND rebuild system. I do not recall any problems with that brand of rebuild. Western rebuild, on the other hand, who did 5/4 ton 350 engines, I cannot say the same about.

 

[m1010plowboy]

Dedicating a truck

Roger that Stan, let the scapers scape, the mechs mech and the guards grrrrrrrrr. ar ar ar

Great information gentlemen, I also hope the inhibitors did their job. The last guy to touch this knew what he was doing so there is hope.

The timing on a new engine couldn't be better because I got the call from the neighbour. Over the last several weeks she stenciled then hand painted the letters and spent a lot of time with a magnifying glass to nab some over the top detail on a dedication to my Dad. Goose, the first M135 and my Dad celebrated their 57th and 86th birthday on March 16th this year.

 

[CatMan]

Hey Plow Boy, In the BIG engine business we always pre-lube an engine that has been in preservation and before start up. The easiest way to do it on your 6 cylinder is to get a NEW and clean 2 Gallon garden sprayer can. The ones that you pump up with the hand plunger pump. Put in about a gallon of oil and connect the hose from the sprayer to the oil gallery on the engine. Removing the oil pressure sender and connecting there is a good place. Pump up a couple PSI and leave it set. It takes a while depending on the ambient temperature but it will fill and flush all the oil galleries. We has a small portable 2 Gallon metal air pressure tank in the shop that was modified by adding an oil filler neck and a threaded cap. It worked the same as the hand sprayer but a bit faster when pressurized to about 10 PSI. Cat Man

 

[m1010plowboy]

Hey Plow Boy, In the BIG engine business we always pre-lube an engine that has been in preservation and before start up. The easiest way to do it on your 6 cylinder is to get a NEW and clean 2 Gallon garden sprayer can. The ones that you pump up with the hand plunger pump. Put in about a gallon of oil and connect the hose from the sprayer to the oil gallery on the engine. Removing the oil pressure sender and connecting there is a good place. Pump up a couple PSI and leave it set. It takes a while depending on the ambient temperature but it will fill and flush all the oil galleries. We has a small portable 2 Gallon metal air pressure tank in the shop that was modified by adding an oil filler neck and a threaded cap. It worked the same as the hand sprayer but a bit faster when pressurized to about 10 PSI. Cat Man

That made life a whole lot easier, tip of the week I'd say. The TM suggests forcing engine oil under pressure through the oil system and until this moment I was going with the "If pre-oiling equipment is not available" step. Thanks Catman!!! I'll have a drink in our memory....sitting around the picnic table with a glass of wine.....watching the two of you work!

A one gallon sprayer is not expensive and adapting it should be easy enough.

The TM isn't clear on pushing oil into the block or into the line so we'll try to decipher that next. It is clear after jumping back from page 237 to figure 20 somewhere in the front of the manual, that it's line H, figure 16...

 

[m1010plowboy]

M135 escort on F104 move

The F104 was safely delivered 15 blocks, just at the end of rush hour traffic on a Friday, at 5mph, in the rain.

.........and we didn't knock down any bridges..........


The tail section was stripped last week and delivered as we got ready for the pull. We had a deck truck behind the jet until he had to bug out then Goose took over and big Sean011 pulled in behind the Deuce in his wee little Dodge to take up tail gunner.

It's a good feeling making the news in the Deuce with the wheels down.

http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/cold-war...-journey-down-edmonton-roads-friday-1.1295528

 

[m1010plowboy]

G749 Dedication

Had a moment in the sun to get some pics with the folks and the dedicated valve cover. Did a little unveiling ceremony with the deuce and now have a "dedicated" G749 that was built on my Dad's birthday.

 

[Gunfreak25]

Seeing moo moo and poo pa together like that. Yer a kind human being man. The dust cover came out beautiful man.

 

[m1010plowboy]

M207 pre-start work

Finally found time to lay down with the M207 and was greatly surprised by the work that was already done. The PO had a plan for this truck and he's still working on it....with me. 'Our plan' is to get it running so we can drive it out of his yard and onto a lowboy.....which will not fit in the driveway.

Started at the front of the truck checking fluids which were all topped up in 2011 when he had it running to repair a miss or misses in the 302. He had already added a clear inline fuel filter, cleaned the oil bath air breather, added anti-freeze and washed it. The only thing that needed topping up was the compressor governor and the MC. I had to clean the dash before we did anything else because they just run better.

With oil and air checked we grabbed the fire extinguishers, dumped and flushed the fuel tank, added 5 gallons of clean fuel, hooked up her new batteries and stared at the fuel filter while I hit the switch. With no whirrrr coming from the fuel pump and time and rain starting to dampen our spirits we pulled off the air intake hose, added a cup of fuel and hit the starter again. After 3 revolutions she fired and ran for a few seconds with the sound of sweet success.

Today I repaired and installed the fuel pump and we'll make the drive back out to haul it when time allows.

We basically removed the 8 screws for the filters at the bottom, beat the pump out of the casing with thy gentle blows of a plastic sledge hammer, then cleaned it. Gave it a bath in our varsol tub, hooked the pump up to a 24 volt source and away it went. A little wire wheel work down to metal and a shot of primer and this is the first item to be rebuilt and preserved on the M207. Should be finished soon, real soon.

 

[Gunfreak25]

Good job on the petrol pumper, nice place to start the restoration. Happy blasting davey jones aaaarrr arr arr arr shiver me timbers.

 

[Superdave]

Congrats, lucky on the fuel pump working after a little tlc. whens your next trip out ??

 

[m1010plowboy]

We're scheduling 1 hour at a time with this weather but my lowboy man called me and right now they think tomorrow is the day.

I will let you know Dave, quack quack.

Anything can change in a hurry with this going on http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...gency-as-rapid-waters-stymie-sandbag-efforts/

 

[m1010plowboy]

Crate 302

Found a few minutes to clean up the 302 and become an Edmonton Oiler. After a hand bath with Simple Green we pulled the valve cover, plugs and checked the contents of the oil filter.

The distributor cap had a cool new cover added with the firing order stamped in it, the plugs were oily except for #1 which had a little rust on it and the oil filter was full of a gold color liquid. Sprayed WD40 down the cylinders for a soak.
One wire was crunchy so I'll be looking for a few sets of wires....from the cheap barn.

The TM says we should force oil into the line that would then run into the oil pressure sending unit, the filter then back into the block. With that line fighting removal we tied into the line coming from the bottom of the filter and going in the side of the block....Any thoughts????
We used a clean garden sprayer and new oil so the only benefit I could see doing through the other line was getting the oil to run through the filter first.

Once we're sure this method will work we'll do it again before the roll over.

Pressured up the pump a few times and listened to the gurgle for a while then taped the handle open for the night.

G749 302

 

[Superdave]

It should have had some oil in the cylinders as I believe that Robert said he squirted some oil down the cylinders every couple years and cranked it over to prevent it from seizing up

 

[m1010plowboy]

M207 Recovery

A special Thanks to SuperDave tonight for helping me get the 207 running sweet and taking us for a ride.

This is one long recovery and it's nearly over. I have worked on the truck for hours to get things right. Tonight I made the best move ever and called SuperDave on the way over to the 207 with fuel. A full tank of juice was all that was left until we turned the key and the MISS was a big ugly hammer bangin on the inside of the valve cover.

I pulled the valve cover while Super pulled out his surgical tools. A flat head screwdriver and a 5/8 wrench.

SuperDave spots a push rod hanging off the side of a rocker and the opposing valve stuck down so we backed off the rocker assembly, re-aligned the rods and Dave gently beat on the top of the valve spring assembly until the valve popped back up.

After replacing a Rocker Arm Shaft Locating Screw that was laying in the on top of the head we rolled it over and the 302 fired up purred like it should. Considering that this motor fired up with push rod hanging off the rocker we got lucky and have a strong engine. After a warm up I pulled it into low and she jumped into gear and Gracie drove out of her 2 year stain in the grass.

SuperDave jumps in the drivers seat and we go for a little tour with the truck shifting thru the gears in both ranges and sounding ready for spark plugs. One more step forward.

 

[m1010plowboy]

M207 Recovery

Gigity, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIrWZ8WW-oE&feature=youtu.be

Murphy's Law came out to help move the 207 today but we knew in advance and brought more punches then Murph could take.

When we parked last night and shut down Super pulled the starter to be sure it would engage when the lowboy arrived. The starter did not engage. Steel Soldier's did engage a few months back when a wise member spotted a bunch of G749 starters and was kind enough to make them available here in the 'classifieds' and I bought 2.

With the lowboy arriving early and on standby while we beat on things and wiggled stuff as well as pullin the 6x around in gear and spinnin' the engine by hand trying to roll the ring, we knew we lost round 1 with the starter. We brought in a replacement.

In round 2 we came out swingin' with a dis-connect to the battery then sockets and wrenches which feigned so we hit down low by making a 3/4 Stubby, 3" long wrench to tackle the top starter bolt. Removed the linkage and grabbed a 5/8 to rip away the last 2 wires holding our opponent in place.

We reversed the order in round three which threw Murphy off so bad the truck fired and with one last glass of punch, we drove her down to the deck......truck.

My Soldier B today ate grease and experimented with different size particles in the eyes and I wouldn't and couldn't have done it without him. Thanks Son, best pre-fathers day ever.

Thanks again to SuperDave and the Steel Soldiers site for providing a great space to share the pics, enjoy.

 

[Superdave]

Cool, Glad you made it to the GMC farm. Weird tho why the starter decided to pack it in at the end of all of the testing and getting it running.

 

[Section8]

That's great that you and Superdave got the 207 running!! Have the old girl rolling under her own power to her new home! Minus the Lowbed trip.
That 207 is a thing of beauty! My family just doesn't see why I get excited about old military iron. How could you not see the possiblities though!! I would have a whole fleet of my own if I could! LOL!
Just a thought...
Did you try giving the started a few well placed love smacks with a hammer on the solinoid?? It may have just stuck open so it would seem to have bit the dust but in actuallity it is probably filled with dust. Hehehe. Just my worthless two cents.

 

[m1010plowboy]

Did you try giving the started a few well placed love smacks with a hammer on the solenoid??

I think that must be the universal step one for all of us, although I don't see it in the TM's yet. A tap can free up the contacts sometimes but like Super Dave said, "it's weird". The starter worked 10 times to get it rolling and with a $160.00 an hour lowboy waiting, it didn't. We spun the starter when we got it out and it spun freely both ways which is not good.

We also checked trani fluid levels several times but got some inaccurate readings. Trani is checked warm, running at idle, in gear, high range, level. Added 6 litres of 30wt non-detergent which finally brought it up to proper levels but got distracted by another Deuce so only tested it enough to know things are good.

The theme of naming the trucks after comedians caught on with the neighbours and when I pulled into the driveway they came over to see the latest arrival to the herd. After some discussion they said the truck should be called Richard Pryor.
With the damage mostly to the back of the truck this unit may be stripped down to the frame and be used as an engine/trani test stand. The hood looks repairable and the front clip is intact so something can be saved.
So with a hats off tribute to a great Comedian, meet Pryor.