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Bell 47 Helicopter - Australia

Malaponte

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Hello to Everyone at Steel Soldiers. This is my first post. I am looking at purchasing a very early 50's Korean War Bell 47 Helicopter. Apparently it still is in the Korean war green colours and still has the Medivac Pods on the side of it. It is owned by an old gentleman who is no longer interested in it. It still flies. He doesn't want too much money for it and it is supposed to come with another Bell 47 for parts. Can anyone tell me what type of money I should be paying for something like this. What numbers or codes I should be looking for ? I am mainly into Jeeps and this is very new to me.

Located in Australia
 
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Are you really serious? I wonder what you consider a 'not too much' price for one of the jeeps you are into?

Be very careful if you are planning on flying it legally. The price of an aircraft is primarily based on the remaining life of it timed components and general condition. The airframe, transmission, gear boxes, anti-torque rotor blades, main rotor blades, etc have time limits. There have been a series of required safety modifications ** called AD s airworthiness directives} and again have all these been applied and logged?
One of many issues you need to consider is this: The early 47s had solid wood rotor blades, and over time these could cause problems, the newer ones used aluminum. If you look up the price of new rotor blades - search BELL 47 -23 METAL MAIN ROTOR BLADES on e b ay now and you can find a set for 47,000$.
Now as for engines - a Franklin was original in the early models so check the hours remaining before a rebuild is needed and price out one of these new or rebuilt. Start thinking about $17,000 on up for the Polish ones.

The 47 has over the years many variants so which one is the one you are looking at?

So I am amused by your 'he doesn't want too much money for it' - what in world does that mean?

If you are really serious and want a flying machine, and not a museum display, you should send an Bell 47 expert mechanic to inspect the aircraft in detail, fly it, and pay him for his time. The first thing he will do is to look at the engine and airframe log books in detail. No log books and all you have is a grounded display item.
 

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Without log books/maintenance ,AD compliance history, the FAA/local CAA will not let it fly.
TopTiger put in perspective . I wonder if it is airworthy, pics would help .
 

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He is in Australia so US rules do not apply. And yes most other countries rules are patterned after the FAA.
 
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"Local CAA" =Australian CASA, their regulations are just as strict. It take a pretty penny to keep a Bell 47 airworthy.
 

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Never said Australias rules are not strict, just that the FAA rules do not apply.

He is looking for info on the aircraft itself.

While the regulation info is helpful, that was not the question. If you can't answer his question about the aircraft please do not post. Regulation questions will come later.
 

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Your best option is to find a reputable aircraft mechanic and have him do a pre buy inspection for you. He will know what to look for as far as documentation and overall condition. He should also be able to give you an idea as to the operating costs if you choose to keep it airworthy.
 

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No real info - just trivia. Back in the 50's there use to be a TV show here in the States called the "Whirlybirds" and the use of their Bell version. Then onward and upward to "M.a.s.h.".

Shoot and post some pictures of your new wanna be toy.
 

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Warthog, you are on the SS forum posting police force?

When you stated 'While the regulation info is helpful, that was not the question. If you can't answer his question about the aircraft please do not post.'

Well, now if an aircraft can be registered and legally flown, it is certainly worth a lot more than one fit only for use as a 57 year old lawn ornament. So you see, Warthog, local CAA regs are quite important and do well apply to the question posted. Go pick on something you know a but more about.

But I really think the question posed on the first post has little merit, is he even a pilot? Is he over 13 years old? It would only take a few seconds on Google to find what some airworthy 47s are valued at. All the ones for sale provide lots of info on the timed parts and other details. And as the original poster has not replied to any of the worthy replies, I doubt any of it was serious. Just a kid dreaming. IMO

 

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I have no intentions to fly this helicopter. The gentleman is in his late 80's and no longer needs it. As I said in my first post. I do not know anything about Helicopters. I am going to look at it next weekend and hopefully this will shed more light on it. What should I be looking for ?, what type of money would something like that be worth, serial numbers, is there one better than the other ? And I have tried to Google what something like this would be worth but to no avail. Maybe someone could tell me what site I should be going to. And even if it's not certified to fly anymore , what should I be paying.
 

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Well that don't make sense, that would be like buying a old truck and not driving it. If the aircraft is not airworthy it is not worth much more than a static display. Maybe be it should be put in a museum. If your intent is just have a old piece of flying history, serial numbers and configuration does not matter. Now if you want to fly the darn thing, this is where all that maintenance history ( s/n's , life limited parts, AD history) come in to play. The Austrailian CASA has a bunch of rules and regulations that have to be complied with or you get fined. If you intend to resell it ,the next buyer is most likely someone who wants to fly it and they will need a lot of paperwork to satisfy their records search. You won't even be able to sell the parts as serviceable , unless you have good documentation. Let us know what the owner is asking for it.
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JC
 

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Helicopter crashes that kill people are funny? W T F is up with that?
Of Course not, Man is talking about flying a 1940 helicopter he might buy for pennies on the dollar. and a red flag in my book shows up. a Crash . I'll not take this any farther if you can't see where I was coming from , so be it. now I'll read page two and comment or leave .

Keith Glass
 

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I think everyone is getting hung up on the flyability aspect.

I think the OP is simply asking what the value would be of a bird for static display and if there's anything he should look for. I'd assume by that he means flaws that might limit it's resellability (as a display piece) later on.

Or he's concerned about historical accuracy (sort of how a VietNam era deuce wouldn't have west coast mirrors).

Proceed.
 
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