How to not seal a tire / wheel properly

[mattgunguy]

Couple weeks back I used the 818 to help a old boy pull a lime truck out of his field. Buried deep in the mud. Finally got his truck out. Figured out a few days later that I thoroughly trashed a tire. Stripped it clean to the belts on the inside. Annoying, but not a big deal. Crap happens sometimes. Get it off the truck.

Got the wheel broke down and what does I find? Probably $30 worth of rtv silicon in place of a O-ring. The had trapped water around it as well. Rusted the snot out of both the wheel halves. New O-ring after a cleaning and some good rust inhibitor and things are good. Then I did the other rear tire. It only got more rusty & more silicon. Such a unanticipated mess.

I've jerry rigged a lot of things in my life as a matter of necessity at times. But never tires. Seems to much like a good way to get dead in a hurry.

 

[Guyfang]

I think it should be legal to shoot people who do such things. I can understand a field fix. Done a lot of that in the army. But when we got back to the barn, we fixed it right.

 

[simp5782]

I have had issues on some wheels that after a blowout that they wont seal back down even using a new Oring and I had to use RTV.Just a simple bead on the lip. In my current situation I don't even bother breaking them down. I just replace the wheel and tire. Cheaper with all the work and a lot less cuss words.

 

[Lonnie]

I had one that was siliconed between the 2 rim halves. There was so much surface area bonded that I had to chain it between 2 trucks to pull them apart.

 

[1 Patriot-of-many]

I had one that was siliconed between the 2 rim halves. There was so much surface area bonded that I had to chain it between 2 trucks to pull them apart.

Could you expand on that? How would I pull them apart? Where do you attach the chain? I need to replace an oring on 5ton, I did one on a M35A3 and that kicked my butt. Then it still leaked. I'm looking for an easier way than manually.....

 

[M543A2]

OH how many times I get frustrated and beyond having to fix what the guy before me did and did not correct it. It also seems it is most often something hidden that does not show up until it is a problem. Too many times also it costs me what it should have cost him because I want it right and he got away with it.

 

[Special T]

On hummer wheels I 've seen to much silicone and it was a pain. If there is an issue with sealing up some times a thin layer in the o ring gutter helps hold the ring in place while tightening things down. Additionally if the o ring diameter is not big enough the small bit of silicone can be helpful, but normally only contacts one side of the o ring.

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[Mos68x]

I've got at least three rims on my truck like this that I need to fix. Still not sure how I will get the rims apart though. I will probably use the truck to break the bead, and maybe air pressure to bust the rim apart.

 

[Jbulach]

I've got at least three rims on my truck like this that I need to fix. Still not sure how I will get the rims apart though. I will probably use the truck to break the bead, and maybe air pressure to bust the rim apart.

FYI, if your tires have bead-locks in them you can't break the bead by compressing the tire. Don't use air to try and separate the wheel, could make for a very bad, rest of a short life!

 

[Scar59]

I've got at least three rims on my truck like this that I need to fix. Still not sure how I will get the rims apart though. I will probably use the truck to break the bead, and maybe air pressure to bust the rim apart.

If you choose to use air pressure to separate the wheel halves, first set up a Go Pro camera to record the event. The recording will seal the nomination for a Darwin Award. Might even get Darwin Award of the year. Seriously, do not attempt
to use any air source.

 

[simp5782]

If you choose to use air pressure to separate the wheel halves, first set up a Go Pro camera to record the event. The recording will seal the nomination for a Darwin Award. Might even get Darwin Award of the year. Seriously, do not attempt
to use any air source.

I have ok luck when I back the wheel nuts off about half way all the way around and then I put air to it and sometimes it will pop the bead on the upper ring if you are luckily. Mostly on the 3/4" stud wheels it will do it. the 5/8" stud with its thick Oring likes to hang on. Then again I also know what I am doing when it comes to these things. Darwinism is population control its just not fast enough sometimes.

I generally use 2 pickaxe heads and drive them into each side of the wheel half and then I use my crow bar to pop each opposite side. I still don't know how someone would hook a chain to both halves of the tire but maybe I am just not redneck enough.

 

[Mos68x]

No need for a camera lol I'll be using the truck for a cage since I don't have one

 

[simp5782]

No need for a camera lol I'll be using the truck for a cage since I don't have one

You don't need a cage for these tires if you do it the correct way. I.e. make sure all the nuts are still on it when you let the air out of it. First step let air out of the tires. Last step put air back in it.

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[Mos68x]

Yeah that's the plan, I doubt the air will break the break the rim halves apart 100% but hopefully it'll be enough to get apart the rest of the way by hand.

 

[Special T]

Is there a way to drive wedges in between the seam to loosen the grip of the caulking?

Has me thinking about how some heavy equipment wheels are set up. They have these threaded holes in addition to the stud holes that are threaded. You insert a bolt and tighten them to break the seal when they are fitted to a hub with close tolerance. I wonder is anyone has drilled a couple of small holes in one half of the wheel with a welded NUT on the outside so that you could use simple mechanical force to separate them? Normally a tire hammer or slide hammer is enough to get the job done.

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[Mos68x]

Is there a way to drive wedges in between the seam to loosen the grip of the caulking?

Has me thinking about how some heavy equipment wheels are set up. They have these threaded holes in addition to the stud holes that are threaded. You insert a bolt and tighten them to break the seal when they are fitted to a hub with close tolerance. I wonder is anyone has drilled a couple of small holes in one half of the wheel with a welded NUT on the outside so that you could use simple mechanical force to separate them? Normally a tire hammer or slide hammer is enough to get the job done.

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Now that is a good idea! Might be able to use a tap and thread the hole in the rim as well, then put a nut on a bolt and then thread both into the rim before welding the nut in place.

 

[mattgunguy]

I use a slide hammer bead breaker and a duck bill hammer. My second wheel that was so gunked up. I laid out deflated, with the flange side up for a few days. Soaked it down with soapy water a couple times a day.
The bead broke free with ease (love the bead breaker). Then it's a matter of slowly prying the flange off with the duck bill. I'll put 1x2 boards under the flange to keep it from falling back down. Then I flip it over on top of a 9.00-20 wheel to break the other bead. I'm lazy and use an engine lift to get the rim out.

Sounds more complicated than it is.

 

[simp5782]

https://youtu.be/nTiWCwqxduI

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[1 Patriot-of-many]

https://youtu.be/nTiWCwqxduI

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Made that look easy! Somehow I don't see it happening to me.

 

[Special T]

A good duck billed tire hammer works really well for tires mot glued together. I would also add that some kind of bock/cribbing under it would also help. That way you use the massive weight of the tire to help desperate them. Laying on the ground doesn't allow the tire to hang.

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