LME maintenance tent erection

[coachgeo]

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Granted that whole idea may not work cause my cherry picker would make the truck too tall.... to be under center

TM says "
Height (at Eaves) 11-ft 8-7/8-in.
Height (at Ridge) 15-ft 1-in
Width (at Base) 23-ft 11-5/16- "

what is height at the headers?? (cross beam (cabes) between rafters)

 

[coachgeo]

TM says "
Height (at Eaves) 11-ft 8-7/8-in.
Height (at Ridge) 15-ft 1-in
Width (at Base) 23-ft 11-5/16- "

what is height at the headers?? (cross beam (cabes) between rafters)

litte Math-en says no. cheery picker wont work on roof op... unless one disassembles it after building a section.. so can drive underneath header /cross beam, ot move truck box forward to center-ish area of the net section to construct.... then reassemble it for build of next section. which so far looks like best path. just the build of first section is the issue.. where need two pickers hmmm.

Will keep brainstorming.

 

[coachgeo]

Think have a plan after got mind blown. If it makes sense to you... pick it apart for pit falls, Thanks in advance.

• put cherry picker on roof of Truck box with its end of lift arm as close to fore/aft center of 10'ft boxes top as possible. Actually just forward of that to accommodate the arc path the arm's end will travel while lifting.
• Cherry Picker arm, and truck cab, pointing to what will be an Entrance/Exit of the LME
• All sections will be assembled from atop the truck box.
• Cherry Picker sitting Port/starboard, slightly to driver side
• Assemble two arches 8'ft apart, resting on its header across and hanging down off the roof of box. (might use the far front AND far end arch headers when assembling this section, for better stability. *More on that below)
• Assemble whole first section. Legs/walls hanging down. Legs, purlins, everything installed for first section. This box height of around 9.4"'ft will make it easier to attach purlins and all the legs. Cherry Picker allows to lift this section all at once**.
• considering also sorta temporary installing purlins and bottom side wall for next section on this too. Undecided on that. Will experiment
• After construction of that complete section from the rooftop.. in all should leave LME's peak only about 3 feet shy of the full height needed.
• Stick a 4x4 or two..... thru the peak of the two arches; just below the Perlin that acts like the Ridge Beam.
• attach cherry picker as close to Center of gravity around these 4x4's as can.
• LIFT the whole section with Cherry Picker. Should be able to lift to full Height or close to it.
• Since Cherry picker is off center of Driver/ Passenger side of truck box roof, it will move the whole LME frame, slight to driver side, as lift everything.
• Wiggle legs/walls into position/where I want it to sit on ground...
• slowly lower Cherry Picker down till that first section holds itself up.
• *swap out the far end Header used temporarily as mentioned earlier, for the cable header that is supposed to be there, before full detachment of cherry picker)

Disconnect/Disassemble Cherry Picker enough to drive forward under header..... Reassemble/Reposition it. Then do some concocted version of all the above (to be brainstormed more on later) for each next section.

**First Brainstorm was to use cherry picker to lift each roof arch to full height and set them ontop of 4" tall Jackstands and then assemble whole section handing off from those... But that complicated assembly of purlins/wall sections due to height as well as required a second Cherry picker for each arch of the first section's assembly (or turning the cherry picker around on top.... (not enough room)

 

[DeMilitarized]

You are still not considering the canvas. That is actually 1/2 of the entire battle. I (6"2 230lbs male) struggle to manipulate the canvas by myself and can barely do it. Need to hav ea plan for the canvas.

 

[coachgeo]

You are still not considering the canvas. That is actually 1/2 of the entire battle. I (6"2 230lbs male) struggle to manipulate the canvas by myself and can barely do it. Need to hav ea plan for the canvas.

See this post

oh am not ignoring that at all. Schemes exist in my brain bucket.... they are just not vetted much yet. Am I correct there is four roof canvas and eight wall sections?

 

[coachgeo]

Think have a plan after got mind blown. If it makes sense to you... pick it apart for pit falls, Thanks in advance.

• put cherry picker on roof of Truck box with its end of lift arm as close to fore/aft center of 10'ft boxes top as possible. Actually just forward of that to accommodate the arc path the arm's end will travel while lifting.
• Cherry Picker arm, and truck cab, pointing to what will be an Entrance/Exit of the LME
• All sections will be assembled from atop the truck box.
• Cherry Picker sitting Port/starboard, slightly to driver side
• Assemble two arches 8'ft apart, resting on its header across and hanging down off the roof of box. (might use the far front AND far end arch headers when assembling this section, for better stability. *More on that below)
• Assemble whole first section. Legs/walls hanging down. Legs, purlins, everything installed for first section. This box height of around 9.4"'ft will make it easier to attach purlins and all the legs. Cherry Picker allows to lift this section all at once**.
• considering also sorta temporary installing purlins and bottom side wall for next section on this too. Undecided on that. Will experiment
• After construction of that complete section from the rooftop.. in all should leave LME's peak only about 3 feet shy of the full height needed.
• Stick a 4x4 or two..... thru the peak of the two arches; just below the Perlin that acts like the Ridge Beam.
• attach cherry picker as close to Center of gravity around these 4x4's as can.
• LIFT the whole section with Cherry Picker. Should be able to lift to full Height or close to it.
• Since Cherry picker is off center of Driver/ Passenger side of truck box roof, it will move the whole LME frame, slight to driver side, as lift everything.
• Wiggle legs/walls into position/where I want it to sit on ground...
• slowly lower Cherry Picker down till that first section holds itself up.
• *swap out the far end Header used temporarily as mentioned earlier, for the cable header that is supposed to be there, before full detachment of cherry picker)

Disconnect/Disassemble Cherry Picker enough to drive forward under header..... Reassemble/Reposition it. Then do some concocted version of all the above (to be brainstormed more on later) for each next section.

**First Brainstorm was to use cherry picker to lift each roof arch to full height and set them ontop of 4" tall Jackstands and then assemble whole section handing off from those... But that complicated assembly of purlins/wall sections due to height as well as required a second Cherry picker for each arch of the first section's assembly (or turning the cherry picker around on top.... (not enough room)

Hmmm..... then again... could add the two eaves Purlins...... use Cherry Picker like above described to lift it up on jack stands.. the continue assembly as described above. whole section then would end up needing only a one foot lift to put in position on ground. hmmmm?

 

[swiss]

See this post

oh am not ignoring that at all. Schemes exist in my brain bucket.... they are just not vetted much yet. Am I correct there is four roof canvas and eight wall sections?

No each section is 16’ wide and weighs about 200 lbs

2 sections make a 32 long tent


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[swiss]

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[coachgeo]

No each section is 16’ wide and weighs about 200 lbs

2 sections make a 32 long tent


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define a section? Is it, 2 walls and Roof = section?? Walls only = section and roof is seperate?? (if so Im missing stuff) orrr??

Ive got two huge bundles of tent/tarp w/guy rope on them with this purchase. Does that sound like Im missing major stuff?

 

[swiss]

You should have 2 sections. 16 feet wide and like 34 foot long. Think of a section as a complete tent piece
then 2 ends

 

[coachgeo]

You should have 2 sections. 16 feet wide and like 34 foot long. Think of a section as a complete tent piece
then 2 ends

Ok... so is two pieces 16x34 ... that span from ground, over top of roof and back to ground.. result being a complete 1/2 of the enclosure- ( two walls, full 1/2 of roof top).. In addition will separately be the two curtained ends...

Got it... thanks

so then coulddddd if decided just put up half of a shelter for now..... easier to heating it... hmm.. hmmmm.. with that then plan would be finish my Jeep/daily driver rebuild ... followed by the rebuild of skid steer and do LMTV in summer after adding second 16ft section.... decisions decisions..

 

[swiss]

Just sell to me and save yourself headaches


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[DeMilitarized]

Ok... so is two pieces 16x34 ... that span from ground, over top of roof and back to ground.. result being a complete 1/2 of the enclosure- ( two walls, full 1/2 of roof top).. In addition will separately be the two curtained ends...

Got it... thanks

so then coulddddd if decided just put up half of a shelter for now..... easier to heating it... hmm.. hmmmm.. with that then plan would be finish my Jeep/daily driver rebuild ... followed by the rebuild of skid steer and do LMTV in summer after adding second 16ft section.... decisions decisions..

Complete waste of time and energy at that point.

 

[coachgeo]

W/out cover.... first section.. 8foot constructed MINUS the the bottom 8ft of walls to get total height. With section sitting on the headers.. atop of the truck's box the peak of this section is at 11-ish feet high..... so 5 feet higher to go .... Didnt use the tall jack stands.. Whole build was with with weight carried across the span of two End Headers atop the roof . ... think it was better/safer that way too.

Next is: to stick with-ish to Plan posted previously:

> Lift this section via cherry picker; which is up on the roof of the box also. Lift will be via a 10'ft 4x4 run between the rafters and cherry picker's lifts the whole thing at once. Will go as much above the 16'ft total height as I can since the legs to make up the lowermost section are female that slides up into male ends of legs that will be dangling down in space.
> once completed set it down lightly but don't unhook yet
> swap one "End header"e out for "cable header" that is supposed to be there instead. (for strength used End Header on both sides as mentioned in earlier post). Plan is ratchet strap as temporary means to hold things true while swapping headers.
> sit it down fully.... make sure its balanced and all pins looking good.
> detach from free standing section and disassemble the Cherry Picker.. lay it flat on roof... drive forward to next spot for erecting next 8'ft section.

next section will be bit different cause means to put together will be entirely different. Different cause now only have one header to lift and build off of. So it will hang of Cherry Picker the whole time. Might let some weight be carried on the 4ft tall jack stands this time will see.

Wish me luck....... its been total sketch and hackery so far.

Yes have video.. will be a while before edit video production of ..... Stubborn Life/LME Garage edition- Aka: dont know shiat about what am doing... but doing it anyway

 

[coachgeo]

BTW... while not in a hurry..... but if anyone ends up with broken/bent purlins/ridge beam they dont want. cut out the section with the arm that swings out that "spin locks" to a Leg or Rafter- (Arch Beam) and send them my way. Could use 8 of them.

Thinking eventually could add a pair to each of the the Four Purlins used as Ridge Beam, giving this all more strength. Those who built one already know that the four used as Ridge Beam across the top; attach to the rafters; that make up each 8ft section, in a way that alternates these arms to lock to a left side of rafter and at next section to a right rafter . With extra parts cold make it all stronger to put 4 arms on the four Purlins used as Ridge Beam's instead . Then Each Ridge Beam would have arms attaching to both left and right side Rafters. Rafters have the spot to put the spin lock into so why not. .

 

[coachgeo]

More details later... but first 8ft section standing on itsits own. Lots of measuring and refiguring .. HOPEFULLY it is sitting exactly where I need it.
> Lifted whole thing 5ish feet up and added legs /purlins
> put it down, picked it up... wash rinse repeat many times as was jockeying it around till it was as close to being where I want it.
> prior to final drop full weight on its feet... gave it a shake test to get the whole erector set feeling like it is in its natural state of support.
> put it down with full weight / self supporting.
> End header changed out for Cable Header as described above (sorta)..
> Slight lift.... shake test/ reset again.
> put it down with full weight / self supporting.
> Layed Cherry Picker on its side. (not sure I can pick it back up though.. hmmmm
> drove out
> repositioned truck for next section build
> eating lunch.

 

[coachgeo]

Well this didn't go to well... cause have to now build it at full height mostly. Issue is cant reach parts of it to build it. Box top of truck is 7 feet wide..... and the span out to the eaves is aournd 15 feet wide. That has made it complicated. that and lifting both new section and part of already constructed section when only some of the purlins etc.. parts connected, in order to get the bottom most legs under so can slip the up in place.... is putting undue stress on things, and I dont like it. But..... Second section is now standing on its own. Just w/out the two outside top purlins installed . (Eaves ends)

Tomorrow I'll lay the Cherry Picker on it's side again...hmmm might have to disassemble this time though since will be Jockeying it over to the inside edges that are lower in height. Anyway...... Jocky the Truck to each side to stand on to install top most side Purlins on the outside edges. (Eave ends) Then start next section with a new plan of:

> reposition the truck below where next section will be and reassemble the cherry picker.....
> again swap out the End Header used for stronger constructing with the Cable Header that is supposed to be there
> assemble the next whole Arch and legs this time, by leaning it so the whole leg/arch structure is laid over at an angle. That will allow for attaching ALL the legs in advanced. This will allow for lifting ONLY this.. for it will not be (yet) connected to the sections already built. NO tweaking/stressing of affixment points of Purlins to legs/ridge beam done this way is the goal. Some side stresses on legs though when first putting them together. Trade offs.
> assemble as fast as I can the legs so that angle is not tweaking where legs all affix together. This structure is made to take weight vertically not from the side.
> With Cherry PIcker: lift that to full height.
> Adjust distances vial rolling the cherry picker on the box roof, to correct spot for affixing all the purlins from roof top and step ladder( but two can't reach. )
> Let it stand on its own..... which it will do cause it is attached to the previously assembled sections.
> again disassemble the Cherry Picker
> Like earlier- jockey truck around to each side, so can stand on top get too reach/affix the last two two outer/upper most purlins (Eave ends)

After that one more section to go. then the Cover fun starts..

 

[swiss]

Sounds like fun!!!

We need pictures

 

[coachgeo]

Sounds like fun!!!

We need pictures

horribly done videos are coming.

Ohh and on a good note..... yesterday ordered 20mil 20x30 tarp to lay on the ground below this. And a bunch of stakes. This will lessen moisture from ground coming up and clinging to everything causing mold on everything from the condensation that forms from heat / cool cycles. ( have a 1940's oil heater I'll use inside to knock the cold down some when working in there.)

what do you think? silver down to reflect ground chill... back down..... and black side up to help NOT reflect the heat in the cavernous space toward the high ceilings as much? ORRR.. black down and silver up?

 

[coachgeo]

Does one particular side of the tarp need to be laid in first before the second to make the Beckiting-lacing to work out right?