Deuce VIN's..

[tamangel]

I was reading the 'sticky' on Deuce Vin decoding and have a few questions:

It looks like GL, at times, doesn't know what a VIN # is. Or at least not familiar looking per the sticky.. Do they confuse VIN's and S/N's and Reg #'s? Must make for paperwork HELL. Anyone had difficulty securing and/or registering their purchase because of this?

Are these all legitimate examples of Deuce VINS?

VIN# 4K-4940

VIN# NKOORU-72053915148

VIN NK00S9-72-0539-L555,

VIN# 04G09571053911285

VIN# 4A8906

VIN# 108782

VIN# 04M-87570052517001

....off the current M35A2 auction listings..

yes, I know..too much time and no truck currently..

Mike

 

[Recovry4x4]

RE: Deuce VIN

2,3,4 and 7 are correct but lack proper spacing. 1, 5 and 6 look suspect.

 

[CARNAC]

RE: Deuce VIN

Here's what I found:
X40146 2320 000771617 M35A2 W/W 12529661 4K4940 1967 C
X40146 2320 000771617 M35A2 W/W 53915148 NK00RU 1972 H
X40146 2320 000771617 M35A2 W/W 53915155 NK00S9 1972 C
X40146 2320 000771617 M35A2 W/W 53911285 4G09571 1971 H
X40146 2320 000771617 M35A2 W/W M41690 4A8906 1957 C
X40009 2320 000771616 M35A2 52517001 4M87570 1970 C
X40146 2320 000771617 M35A2 W/W 108782 4G3839 1970 C

So as you can see, the numbers on the GL sight sometimes need deciphering. All of them come up OK.

 

[houdel]

RE: Deuce VIN

Don't confuse VINs and serial numbers. Older Deuces had serial numbers, either a five or six digit number sometimes with a four digit prefix which is coded to identify the type of truck. For example, my 1970 Kaiser Jeep has the serial number 14943 stamped on the frame rail, and 0539-14943 stamped on the data plate. The serial number is 14943, the "05" in the prefix indicates the truck was built as a cargo truck, the "39" in the prefix indicates the truck was originally built with a winch, although all that remains of the winch is the hole in the floor and the lockout plate for the PTO handle.

VINs on the other hand were an invention of the National Highway and Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) sometime in the 1970s. It is a standardized alphanumeric vehicle identifier defined by NHTSA. The first 11 digits are coded and identify the vehicle manufacturer, where the vehicle was manufactured, model year, body style, powertrain and some other stuff I can't recall. The last 6 digits are all numeric and are the vehicle build sequence number - what we used to call the "serial number".

 

[IronViking]

RE: Deuce VIN

Look at this email I just got.



Dear Sean,

I spoke to the policy service and I gave your auto's vin # 0539-12631. They said it's an invalid #. Can you fax me the registration paper and I will fax it to titan policy service?

Thanks,


I sent an email with a photo of the truck and the VIN and data plate.
Any ideas? I thought they must know more than me.. Guess not.

 

[ida34]

RE: Deuce VIN

The serial numbers on the trucks are the vin number for registration purposes even though they do not conform the the 81 and later Vin Standards. This is when the government mandated a standard format vin that includes a check digit to spot fake vins. None of the military tactical trucks will decode and the state registration authorities and insurance companies computer software will show an error. Use the term non conforming vin when you talk to them. Even the cucvs are trouble because the software does not recognize a D in the vin in the place of the C or K. D is government contract truck, C is a two wheel drive truck, and K is a four wheel drive truck. The rest of the cucv vin decodes just fine but some insurance companies will hiccup and want you to verify. My Secretary of State office would not decode. I just told the woman to code the weight in for a K full size Blazer and she just said OK and we went about our business. Some of the Deuce data plates (they will be the vin plates for the truck) have the serial number as the reg number followed by the serial number and some just have the serial number. I would title the truck by what the data plate said to avoid confusion in the future. That is my opinion as to what number to use. Using the frame serial number would be the most correct but it would not have the reg number on it. If you data plate just had the serial number I would just use that. Either would be OK but it would be best if your data plate matched the frame serial number exactly but that is not always the case.

 

[Recovry4x4]

RE: Deuce VIN

I'd love to land the 1957 truck. Medlog, if you can, run the number on this deuce tractor I have here (sold). I'm very curious what you come up with as far as unit. 04P35871 0524-10045

 

[MainelyMad]

RE: Deuce VIN

The serial numbers on the trucks are the vin number for registration purposes even though they do not conform the the 81 and later Vin Standards. This is when the government mandated a standard format vin that includes a check digit to spot fake vins. None of the military tactical trucks will decode and the state registration authorities and insurance companies computer software will show an error. Use the term non conforming vin when you talk to them. Even the cucvs are trouble because the software does not recognize a D in the vin in the place of the C or K. D is government contract truck, C is a two wheel drive truck, and K is a four wheel drive truck. The rest of the cucv vin decodes just fine but some insurance companies will hiccup and want you to verify. My Secretary of State office would not decode. I just told the woman to code the weight in for a K full size Blazer and she just said OK and we went about our business. Some of the Deuce data plates (they will be the vin plates for the truck) have the serial number as the reg number followed by the serial number and some just have the serial number. I would title the truck by what the data plate said to avoid confusion in the future. That is my opinion as to what number to use. Using the frame serial number would be the most correct but it would not have the reg number on it. If you data plate just had the serial number I would just use that. Either would be OK but it would be best if your data plate matched the frame serial number exactly but that is not always the case.

I need some help. Here are the plate numbers. I havent located the frame numbers yet but I want to make this a street vehicle.
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04D-98589-0325-18011
Stock #
2320-077-1617
Contract #
DDAE-06-68-C-0007

Any info is appreciated!
Jg@barksport.com

 

[NDT]

I need some help. Here are the plate numbers. I havent located the frame numbers yet but I want to make this a street vehicle.
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04D-98589-0325-18011
Stock #
2320-077-1617
Contract #
DDAE-06-68-C-0007

Any info is appreciated!
Jg@barksport.com

Comes back as a 1969 M35A2 without winch. The frame number you are looking for is 032518011. Use this for your title. The first part 04D98589 is the US Army registration number and it won't be on the frame, it was painted on the hood during the Vietnam era and inside the door later on. The snip is from a US Army databased provided by member Carnac. Not sure why the registration numbers don't agree.

 

[MainelyMad]

Comes back as a 1969 M35A2 without winch. The frame number you are looking for is 032518011. Use this for your title. The first part 04D98589 is the US Army registration number and it won't be on the frame, it was painted on the hood during the Vietnam era and inside the door later on. The snip is from a US Army databased provided by member Carnac. Not sure why the registration numbers don't agree.

Odd because it has the winch.

 

[HDN]

Odd because it has the winch.

If a previous private owner didn't add the winch, sometimes that stuff was added or removed by the Army. Sometimes hood numbers and data plates were swapped between trucks so that units tried to keep trucks they liked and got rid of the ones they didn't.

And I say "try" because sometimes units got caught doing that and trouble ensued.

Once you find the serial number on the frame we'll have another clue about your truck's history.