2 odometers @ 00000.0 ea.

[corelokt]

Just got a bunch of parts. Only needed a few. Took two speedo's apart, one for the needle, other was broken. Reset both odometers to zero, anybody want to spend 5 bucks to flat rate them to you?
You'll need to break down your speedometer and slip these in. Their held in place with just a slip clip, and loosen the two bolts in the front of the speedo face.

 

[doghead]

Pretty sure the action of rezeroing a speedo is a crime. Selling a new speedo is not.

 

[corelokt]

Just figure if anybody has a restored cucv out there and wanted to have the speedo read like new, they'd like one. Any 1980's vehicle isn't likely to pass as new.

 

[hobie237]

I would assume that anybody who wanted to take the time to restore a CUCV would also have the time to spend to hook up a drill to the odometer and set it to whatever they wanted. Yeah, odometer fraud is a crime, but I don't know if anybody really cares that much about it.

 

[DanMartin]

FEDERAL ODOMETER LAW Motor Vehicle Cost Information Act, 49 U.S.C. Section 32704
1. (It shall be unlawful for a person) "with intent to defraud, operate a motor vehicle on a street, road, or highway if the person knows that the odometer of the vehicle is disconnected or not operating; or
2. The owner of the vehicle or agent of the owner shall attach a written notice to the left door frame of the vehicle specifying the mileage before the service, repair, or replacement and the date of the service, repair, or replacement.
3. A person transferring ownership of a motor vehicle shall give the transferree the following written disclosure
A) Disclosure of the cumulative mileage registered on the odometer,
B) Disclosure that the actual mileage is unknown if the transferror knows that the odometer reading is different from different from the number of miles the vehicle has actually traveled.
(b) Mileage Statement Requirement for Licensing. - (1) A motor vehicle the ownership of which is transferred may not be licensed for use in a State unless the transferee, in submitting an application to a State for the title on which the license will be issued, includes with the application the transferor's title and, if that title contains the space referred to in paragraph (3)(A)(iii) of this subsection, a statement, signed and dated by the transferor, of the mileage disclosure required under subsection (a) of this section


There are local and state laws for this sort of thing also that will certainly apply here.

Buyer (and seller) beware.

 

[hobie237]

The loophole in the federal law is that as long as you disclose the actual mileage, the odometer mileage doesn't have to match it. But I'd pass on any vehicle with a fraudulent odometer, no question.

 

[Boatcarpenter]

It would be my understanding of all this that it is not unlawful for corelokt to sell a speedometer that reads 0 miles as long as it is not installed in a vehicle. It would be the responsibility of the purchaser to make proper disclosures when it is installed in a vehicle which he then intends to sell. The purchaser could install it in his own vehicle and drive it as he is not doing so with the "intent to defraud" anyone. Only when he sold the vehicle would he have to make proper disclosures.
BC

 

[HAWKMAN]

It would be my understanding of all this that it is not unlawful for corelokt to sell a speedometer that reads 0 miles as long as it is not installed in a vehicle. It would be the responsibility of the purchaser to make proper disclosures when it is installed in a vehicle which he then intends to sell. The purchaser could install it in his own vehicle and drive it as he is not doing so with the "intent to defraud" anyone. Only when he sold the vehicle would he have to make proper disclosures.
BC

Are these speedo's just the head,(guage itself) or are they the whole speedo cluster...ie... the whole guage unit?

 

[FMJ]

Pretty sure the action of rezeroing a speedo is a crime. Selling a new speedo is not.

Speedo Nazi....

 

[FMJ]

"with intent to defraud"....

 

[hobie237]

It would be my understanding of all this that it is not unlawful for corelokt to sell a speedometer that reads 0 miles as long as it is not installed in a vehicle. It would be the responsibility of the purchaser to make proper disclosures when it is installed in a vehicle which he then intends to sell. The purchaser could install it in his own vehicle and drive it as he is not doing so with the "intent to defraud" anyone. Only when he sold the vehicle would he have to make proper disclosures.
BC

No, selling the part isn't a crime. And no, selling a vehicle that has an altered odometer isn't necessarily a crime, either, with the proper disclosures. But, would you trust somebody who was telling you "well, yeah, um, it had X miles on it, then I rezeroed the odometer, so the total mileage is Y?" I'd assume they were understating the "pre odometer change" mileage by at least 50%.

Now, there are situations where the odometer mileage isn't relevant, a full restoration* being one of them. A heavily modified vehicle, where the chassis mileage is largely irrelevant because the engine, trans, suspension, etc. mileages are all different is another. A vehicle that is being sold at salvage value is another. That's about it, though.


*Note, a "full restoration" doesn't mean "I rebuilt the engine." It means "I checked and/or replaced EVERY SINGLE item and system on the vehicle and brought it to factory specs, and I have EVERY SINGLE receipt to prove this. Without receipts, one should just assume "intent to defraud."

 

[n1bnc]

What started out as a bit of generosity has gone a bit awry. These trucks have not been made in a long time and have minimal value to people outside the hobby. These odometers are not mechanical marvels and can be spun to any mileage you want. Its free except for shipping, do what you want with them and if you run afoul with the law, it is your own fault and not his if any misrepresentation of mileage occurs.

Now the depots that work on trucks in the military, didn't they sometimes replace whole instrument clusters on the deuces if something was wrong? Accurate mileage in a mv may be a fleeting notion.

 

[m109guy]

Odometers on Canadian Military Bombardier Iltis Jeeps can't be trusted at all for instance. For one thing, they only go up to 99,999km, so once they hit 100k, they roll over. Another thing is that a lot of them had problems with the odometer and had them replaced. So on a lot of iltis jeeps, you find a sticker on the dash that reads "Maintenance Decal. XXXXX km. Add to current total". There have been a lot of people over they years who state that they only have 5k or 20k on their iltis odometer, so they list it as "mint use" when it really should read 105k, 120k or more. And when you try and tell them that, they get really mad.

I have seen a few people add a plate on the inside of the drivers door on some MV's which state the millage before the odometer was replaced. I think as long as you do that, or you are keeping the vehicle, that it really doesn't matter. Selling one put to 0 is not wrong, is how it is used that can be wrong.

 

[hobie237]

CUCV odometers only go up to 99,999 as well, but not a whole lot of them get used enough to roll over, especially the M1008s. Even if they do, it's not all that hard to tell a 20,000 mile vehicle from a 120,000 mile vehicle.

 

[corelokt]

I actually removed the odometers and hand spun them to all zero's. I still need an actual working speedometer gauge myself.

 

[kennyw]

FEDERAL ODOMETER LAW Motor Vehicle Cost Information Act, 49 U.S.C. Section 32704
1. (It shall be unlawful for a person) "with intent to defraud, operate a motor vehicle on a street, road, or highway if the person knows that the odometer of the vehicle is disconnected or not operating; or
2. The owner of the vehicle or agent of the owner shall attach a written notice to the left door frame of the vehicle specifying the mileage before the service, repair, or replacement and the date of the service, repair, or replacement.
3. A person transferring ownership of a motor vehicle shall give the transferree the following written disclosure
A) Disclosure of the cumulative mileage registered on the odometer,
B) Disclosure that the actual mileage is unknown if the transferror knows that the odometer reading is different from different from the number of miles the vehicle has actually traveled.
(b) Mileage Statement Requirement for Licensing. - (1) A motor vehicle the ownership of which is transferred may not be licensed for use in a State unless the transferee, in submitting an application to a State for the title on which the license will be issued, includes with the application the transferor's title and, if that title contains the space referred to in paragraph (3)(A)(iii) of this subsection, a statement, signed and dated by the transferor, of the mileage disclosure required under subsection (a) of this section

Main thing is the "intent to defraud" portion. If you disclose the fact that the odometer is not reading actual mileage your in the clear. 90% of CUCV's would reset at 100K miles anyway due to the stock odo not having the 100,000 digit.