Yet another reason to hate singled directional shoed deuces.

[Lonesome715]

This is yet another reason to hate this tire configuration. Hooking that tow bar up alone was challenging enough, but keeping the tries straight on that deuce was more than I could tolerate. I am already sick of having deuces that have to be pulled started. So moving them around like this annoys me anyway. But those freaking tires not allowing me to move this truck to the front yard has me ready to set fire to it. I tell you, I cannot wait until all these trucks are gone. I cannot afford to put batteries in them so this is what I have to do until they all sell off.

 

[airmech3839]

have you tried tying seat belt around steering wheel in the straight position.....should help.

 

[nhdiesel]

And what do single tires have to do with that? The fronts can be tough to steer correctly on soft ground with a tow bar, and it has nothing to do with whether the rears are singled. If you have several trucks and have to do this often, why not buy ONE pair of batteries and set them up as a 24v booster pack, and jump each truck off them.

By the way, looking at the wheels on your Chevy, do you have axles from a flight line tow tractor in that? Do you have any other pics or a thread about that truck? It looks interesting.

Jim

 

[Ferroequinologist]

Not caused by the single tire setup. Caused by the radials. Sevo and I have towed several, and it is the radials fault. Even had a truck we towed then swapped the radials on, did it from then on. Dito on the seatbelt, but you don't want to tow it too far that way, it will eat those front tires up!

Ditto on the soft ground, that is hard on even NDT tires to keep them straight.

 

[avengeusa]

OK, fine, i will take them, give them to me

 

[clinto]

1. Singles don't cause that and I've had plenty of ND's do it as well as radials. Put a rope on it and limit the steering wheel from going too far.

2. Buy a slave cable. I paid $100 for an NOS 20' NATO cable with a 2 pin adapter, plus I bought another adapter. So as long as I have one deuce with good batteries, I can slave all the others with dead batteries to move as necessary. A slave cable is a necessary investment for anyone in this hobby.

 

[Lonesome715]

I did not think of the seat belt thing, thanks. The NDT equpipped trucks I have dealt with did not give me this problem. However, I did mispeak I should have specified the directionals are giving me trouble.


I did not think I should have to explain when I said I could not afford batteries. That means I cannot afford batteries or anything else. I am not keeping these trucks so there for I will not be spending money I do not have. I am not trying to whine I just get irretated when some some asks "why don't you just buy..."


I will go back out there now that I have calmed down a bit and try the seat belt trick.

 

[Lonesome715]

By the way, looking at the wheels on your Chevy, do you have axles from a flight line tow tractor in that? Do you have any other pics or a thread about that truck? It looks interesting.

Jim

Yes, it is a flight line tugger. I love having that truck around.

 

[Ferroequinologist]

2. Buy a slave cable. I paid $100 for an NOS 20' NATO cable with a 2 pin adapter, plus I bought another adapter. So as long as I have one deuce with good batteries, I can slave all the others with dead batteries to move as necessary. A slave cable is a necessary investment for anyone in this hobby.

I agree 110%. I'm down to one truck but I will never sell my tow bar or slave cable.

Just a note- if you slave start your dead truck just to move it around, that you either have batteries in the tray or the pos wire is not making contact with a gound somewhere! Check BEFORE plugging in the cable!

 

[FMJ]

Silly question maybe...

But are you pulling the Deuce, or trying to back it up?

 

[Lonesome715]

I was trying to pull it into position. I have found that pushing them is much easier. But I do not have some one to help steer today.

 

[drgreg]

The best way to move trucks around is with a big F'n forklift. You can get them to go anywhere you want, if you tug and ram them long enough.

There are 3 ways to do things: The right way, the wrong way and the DRMO way.

 

[Lonesome715]

That is why I am selling them off. If I cannot properly care for them, I should not have them. That and we really need the money.

 

[Keith_J]

Not caused by the single tire setup. Caused by the radials. Sevo and I have towed several, and it is the radials fault. Even had a truck we towed then swapped the radials on, did it from then on. Dito on the seatbelt, but you don't want to tow it too far that way, it will eat those front tires up!

Ditto on the soft ground, that is hard on even NDT tires to keep them straight.

Yep. Because radials have a much shorter "footprint", they track poorly. But likewise, they are easier to turn with the steering wheel.

When radials became more common in the 70s, I always thought they looked underinflated compared to bias ply. Took me 20 years plus and engineering degree to see why...in a radial tire, cords constrain the primary membrane stress with belts oriented to the meridonal stress. In a bias ply, the cords are oriented at an angle to constrain the product of these two stresses.

 

[bassetdeuce]

I agree 110%. I'm down to one truck but I will never sell my tow bar or slave cable.

Just a note- if you slave start your dead truck just to move it around, that you either have batteries in the tray or the pos wire is not making contact with a gound somewhere! Check BEFORE plugging in the cable!

Amen to that! Tow bars and slave cables with adapters are a REQUIREMENT in this hobby.

Do not back up with that tow bar! Bad things can/will happen.

 

[spicergear]

Make sure the bed of the truck isn't loaded too heavy either; I've found that not enough weight on the front will affect the towbar tracking. And with NDT's...make sure they're up to the proper tire pressure or you'll want to shoot yourself in the face by the end of that excursion.

 

[Lonesome715]

When my wife got home she helped me get the trucks lined up out side. It was much easier with her help. Then we used the Tugger to knock down a dead tree. I will post some photogrpahs in a minute.

 

[broman78]

similar to what somebody else said use your chain and lock the wheel straight.

 

[jesusgatos]

Just for the sake of conversation, I can see how singles might affect tracking/steering while that vehicle is being towed IF the wheels have less backspacing than the dually setup. That's going to change the scrub radius, which will affect tracking/steering. but... looks like that truck is running stock wheels. Aside from the obvious differences between bias-ply and radial tires, the only other thing that I can see might be the diameter of the tires. That would also change the scrub radius. I have the steering axle geometry for the 2.5-ton Rockwell axles somewhere, but I can't remember those numbers off the top of my head.

 

[Tanner]

...in a radial tire, cords constrain the primary membrane stress with belts oriented to the meridonal stress. In a bias ply, the cords are oriented at an angle to constrain the product of these two stresses.

Wow - you had me at meridonal...

'Tanner'