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do I want a cucv

Yeti

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I'm in the market for a new, old truck. The ol willys isnt cutting it these days

Originally I was drawn away from the GM diesels due to the bad rep. I was looking into 1st gen dodges.

but after some research I am contemplating a m1028. Stock Detroit lockers, military simplicity. Love the th400. And a lesser price tag.

Rambling on...

Any insights you folks may have, that would sway me one way or the other, would be greatly appreciated.

I intend to build this truck for cross country expedition, 4 wheeling, hunting etc. I am more interested in reliability, then a great powerhouse, although I would like to be able to haul reasonably heavy loads and not feel as if I am putting my vehicle through the ringer.


Common things to be on the lookout for?

maybe you have a nice one you want to part with for a fair price, cash or trade?

I thank you for your time and energy.

As my first post, I also thank those who make this forum possible.

-Yeti
 

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Yeah, dodges bring a hefty price tag. I'd steer clear of them for that reason alone although they are good trucks. Cucv's are a great choice obviously, parts are available if you know where to look and this site helps some diagnosis of problems if you want to work on it your self. I am curious why you are looking for a diesel for 4 wheelin' though, small block chevy's are good aswell and you can get the same truck roughly with even more parts availibility and and even lower price tag. Far be it from me to suggest you dont buy a diesel for offroad purposes, just thought I would throw that out there. If you do choose a 1028, or 1008, you might make sure that no one has hacked up the wiring, and make sure exactly what is 12/ 24 volt, as friends on this site may only know how to help if you are running "stock 12/24v". If you cruise this site a little more, I think there's some tips on how to verify a rebuilt engine, aswell as more things to watch out for in the mechanical department. The engine is the only thing that may be difficult to find parts for, so if everything in that department seems ok, the rest is all down hill. Good luck in your quest for a truck!:-D
 
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Welcome to the site. Some of the bad rap on GM diesels was their first attempt, a converted Oldsmobile, which was an abysmal failure. Some people get these confused with the 6.2/6.5 liter family. The 6.2 liter diesel is a good, reliable, low horsepower engine. If abused, such as over-revving, over-turbo'ed, or just overworked, such as towing 20,000 pounds, they will come apart. The 6.2 would break a crank, something that was beefed up in the 6.5. For everyday driving, light towing, 4 wheeling when necessary (as opposed to playing in the mud), they do fine. I have a civvy truck that had a 6.2 with a broken crank, which I replaced with a 6.5. I absolutely love that truck.

Parts are available for the engines. Chevy built a boatload of them, and I think you can still get parts from GM. I know the aftermarket has parts, and there's always the good old wrecking yard.

Hope I was some help.

Scott
 
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skark_burmer

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I intend to build this truck for cross country expedition, 4 wheeling, hunting etc. I am more interested in reliability, then a great powerhouse, although I would like to be able to haul reasonably heavy loads and not feel as if I am putting my vehicle through the ringer.
Common things to be on the lookout for?
-Yeti
For an expedition type vehicle i think a 1009 body style with 1008 running gear would be better, but to each their own. (im building a blazer based vehicle, so im a little biased)

From my point of view the non turbo 6.2 and 6.5 are pretty much the perfect motor for this type of use. They are a low compression mechanical diesel that is simple to fix and requires little maintenance. They dont have much power, but they get good mileage and you can run all sorts of crap through them and she'll keep on purring. Its not a race car, nor a high dollar cross country tow rig so dont expect to be pulling a 28k lb trailer out of Salt Lake city. for this kind of use i find the power to be plenty, only lacking in rare situations. they have been around a while and most junkyards the world over have a motor or two that you can rob parts off of if you are into that kind of thing.

So lets say you buy a 1008 or 1028 and want to run it all over gods green earth and dont want to get stranded in the middle of your adventure.

1. depending on mileage, replace the IP. While not cheap, they are the only real show stopper under the hood. If yours goes bad, you're not fixing it with a roll of duct tape and bailing wire and good luck finding one local.
2. replace the glow plugs.
3. ditch the auto glow plug controller and install a manual switch.
4. do a disc conversion on the rear end and replace the master cylinder with a unit from a V30 4 wheel disc van.
5. replace the front hubs with warn premium hubs.
6. While you are at it, rebuild the front knuckles and replace wheel bearings. I guarantee they'll show damage from water ingress if you are in the midwest. Replace the stock Dana 60 bearing retainer nuts with the 14 bolt style. the inner shaft seal and bearing are going to be junk from water getting in there, it is a crappy design so brace yourself to spend $20 and a few hours of your time to replace them. If you dont replace these you will be wearing the outer diameter of the outer stub shaft and allowing more water and junk in your wheel bearings as time goes on. you can do the math on what happens next.
7. install a DIY 2 micron fuel filter setup. Google it, and if you are interested i can provide more details with part numbers, pretty pictures and all that.
8. get some real tires. Id suggest 30-32" diameter with no lift.

that should provide you with a pretty stout expedition vehicle. from here there are lots of other goodies you can do, but the dollar/benefit ratio starts dropping off.
you can do all sorts of suspension mods if you need a vehicle with more flex or lift but dont fall in the trap of adding stuff you dont need for your intended use. Road manners will suffer significantly and i doubt you are going to trailer it when you go on a trip.
If you want to spend money on the motor dont bother with what is under the hood. Keep your eye out for a later 6.2 or 6.5 non turbo motor with a serpentine belt setup. I could go on and on as to why, but thats what your good friend google is for.
On the new motor you can install a girdle kit, ARP head studs, timing gears and a Fluidamper and it should last you long enough to put it in your will. Like i said before, the cost/benefit ratio gets hard to justify at this point but hopefully you are still single. while you can do these mods to a early motor, you might as well get the better cooling, heads, block casting, and less parasitic loss of the serp belt while you are at it.

While the TH400 trans is strong you will not be enjoying the 3 speeds if you have long trips in mind. These trucks have pretty low gears and 55 is about as fast as you'll want to go.
A 700R4 is a (pretty much) direct bolt in or you could find a early 4L80e, but you will need a $1000 controller for it. the 4L80 is stronger than a 700, but for the added cost.... its hard to justify especially since the 700 will drop in as-is.
Both these trannys have 4 speeds and a lock up converter making highway miles float by.

Gears. As mentioned by others they have 4.56 gears. Depending on what size tires and transmission you are going to end up with you might consider changing ratio. If you change gears you also might want to consider a stronger locking diff unit while you are in there. Expect to spend just shy of $1000 for a ARB, Eaton or whatnot.

the transfer case is going to be a NP208 and strong enough for "normal people". If you dont fall into that classification then you better get ready to shell out some serious coin.
You could get a NP205 and that is plenty strong, but their low range is overly high for anything other than bombing through the snow and moderate off roadeing. From here you could get a LowMax kit for the 205 or buy a Atlas transfer case. Both options are about the same in cost and final product. Or you could do what is called a doubler, where you put a transfer case in front of a stock 205 and bolt the two together but i personally dont like this idea for an expedition type vehicle.

you might want to consider some type of roll bar as well. the cabs on these trucks are not the strongest thing in the world and i for one would not trust my life in one without it if you are going to be back in possibly sticky situations.

A winch is also something you might want to consider. This is personal preference, but when i am going it alone i want to make sure i can get back home. A receiver type mount is handy, then you can put it on the front or back depending on how stupid (err, i mean stuck) you just got.

Id also suggest some FRP grating for who knows what. It stows well and is a real life saver for all sorts of situations you never thought you would be in.

thats about it for now, im tired of typing.
 
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Notice you mentioned cross country expeditions. Not sure if you mean road trips or off-road trips. If you mean road ones keep in mind that the M1028 does have 4.56 gears and a 3speed trans. When I bought my M1028 I drove it from NJ. all the way out here to the hills of haymarket VA. going about 45MPH most of the way. I just recently got mine to do 55MPH and sustain it without blowing up my engine by putting a set of 34" tires on it. In order to make these things do 65MPH all day long up the interstate you will probly need an overdrive trans to go with the taller tires.
 
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I have stock , just out of the Va. ANG M1008 with 53,456 miles .
It is not a race car but it loves the Beach and has a good ride for a 5/4 truck.:-D
 

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I know from all the post on here that the 1008 and the 1009 are very much in demand and many threads have been posted on the subject of their care and restoration . Many of them will sell for the same price as a Deuce if the truck has been fully restored . If you look on GL a lot of the 6.2 liter engines are being sold very cheap . So the guestion is why wouldn't you want one ..........:razz:... Good luck and welcome to the site....
 

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Great post skark_burmer! Only wanted to correct one thing...

The 6.2 is a HIGH-compression diesel, probably one of the highest. 22:1 compression ratio :shock: Generally most diesels are around 16:1 - 18:1 because they're turbo'd.



To add to the thread:

With a small amount of lift (and money!) you can fit quite a bit bigger tire than stock. I'm running a fairly narrow 39" tire with 5" of lift on the front and 3" on the rear of my truck. A lot of people do 4" lifts with 35s or 37s and they work great with the 4.56 gears. I also ran a built 700R4 behind my 6.2 for a while with the 39s and it was a great combination on the highway, just didn't have any power. I would actually suggest lifiting it. My truck rides 100 times better due to new shocks that accompany any suspension changes, also the Tuff Country lift springs I used in the front are have a great spring rate and ride characteristics.

Ditto on the front hubs, mine don't work very well and I have a set of 35 spline upgrade Warn Premiums sitting here waiting to be installed :twisted: Just have to get my u-joints and stub shafts.

I also second rebuilding the front end, mostly knuckles and wheel bearings. Mine weren't worn out, but they showed their age. You'd be surprised at how rough sitting for most of it's life can be on a truck. If you do decide to rebuild the kingpins, you'll need a 7/8s allen wrench. That's about the only special tool you'll need.


I can't think of much more to add unless you want to spend an ungodly amount of money on your truck :roll:
 
I have 3 of the CUCV trucks, I love them.

I have 2 M1028's and 1 M1008.

Both of the M1028's have disc brake conversions in the rear, as well as running a 37 inch tall tire to get a better road speed.

I bought the tires from this guy 95% trear for $100.00 each.
95% tread 37" H1 Goodyear radials SoCal - Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board

One of the M1028's has a 454 gas engine transplanted into it.

Both of the M1028's have the NP205 TC's behind the TH400 transmissions.

I have the 250 CUCV radio electronic shelters for them but they arent on the trucks at the moment.

I have all of them converted from 24V starter to a 12V starter and have removed the battery trays and the large resistor bank on the firewall.
I still have 2 batteries hooked up but use a different series than the huge square military battery. I dumped those as IMO they are mostly junk, I used the civilian battery trays in their place, found at the wrecking yard for cheap.


Article that helped me do that.
http://www.roscommonequipmentcenter.com/news_notes/nn10.pdf
 
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