Going Single

[tm america]

not at all i didnt say he doesnt know what he's talking about i just said most wont notice much difference on the road .how many of us take corners at speeds that put us at risk of going over sideways with our deuce?off road is a different thing like i said but ussually a rollover is gonna happen with or without the extra 3 or 4 inches of track in the back .there are several videos of m109s with singled 11.00s on them on you tube and the dont seem to be having a hard time .it is all a trade off and you know it will have a small effect but you know that and drive it accordingly. .i'm not trying to spite anyone .just saying that most of us will never feel the difference .also he is comparing 11.00 ndts to the firestones .theres gonna be a big difference in how stabil the truck is just going from bias to radials. so really you are comapring dual radials to single biasplys thats gonna be a big difference. where as going from dual bias to single radials doesnt have the same effect ..i'm 100% percent sure he is right in his experiences with that change

 

[tm america]

i dont think running the tires to the outside will change the load on the wheel bearings that much .either way you put them they are mounted to the hub off center so the wheel is trying to leverage the hub wethee they are pointed in as singles are normally run or pointed out with the hubs being run as they would with duals.if you arent gonna be running heavy loads i dont think you would ever have bearing problems from runing them either way with singles. duals do help take load off the bearings but singles will put more load on them no matter how you run the wheels

 

[jesusgatos]

That's been my thought as well (the part about flipping the wheels), . . . am I putting too much torque on something if I do that?

What if I flip the wheels and leave the flanges as they are (changed for singles)?

I guess it's possible, but I wouldn't want to do that. The wheels/tires will just stick out WAY too far. Might make the truck even more stable, but at what cost? Would put a lot of extra leverage on the wheel-bearings, and would make the truck wider than I'd want to have to deal with.

not at all i didnt say he doesnt know what he's talking about i just said most wont notice much difference on the road .how many of us take corners at speeds that put us at risk of going over sideways with our deuce?off road is a different thing like i said but ussually a rollover is gonna happen with or without the extra 3 or 4 inches of track in the back .there are several videos of m109s with singled 11.00s on them on you tube and the dont seem to be having a hard time .it is all a trade off and you know it will have a small effect but you know that and drive it accordingly. .i'm not trying to spite anyone .just saying that most of us will never feel the difference .also he is comparing 11.00 ndts to the firestones .theres gonna be a big difference in how stabil the truck is just going from bias to radials. so really you are comapring dual radials to single biasplys thats gonna be a big difference. where as going from dual bias to single radials doesnt have the same effect ..i'm 100% percent sure he is right in his experiences with that change

I'm talking about the tone of your posts in general, and I'm telling you that you're just coming off like kind of a ****.

As far as this conversation goes, who knows what any of us will notice, or when any additional stability might make all the difference? Why are you assuming that stability off-road isn't important to any of us? Personally, I was willing to give up a little bit of width/stability in order to make my rig track a little better and make it as maneuverable as possible. But I'm having a hard time finding wheels with an offset that will give me a track-width that I'm comfortable with.

i dont think running the tires to the outside will change the load on the wheel bearings that much .either way you put them they are mounted to the hub off center so the wheel is trying to leverage the hub wethee they are pointed in as singles are normally run or pointed out with the hubs being run as they would with duals.if you arent gonna be running heavy loads i dont think you would ever have bearing problems from runing them either way with singles. duals do help take load off the bearings but singles will put more load on them no matter how you run the wheels

Running the 'outside' wheels/tires in a single configuration most definitely WILL increase the load on the wheel-bearings. It's just a simple matter of leverage. I'm not qualified to say whether it might be a problem in practice, but it's the kind of thing I wouldn't mind finding out the hard way. Worst-case scenario, what's it going to cost me, a new set of wheel-bearings and the time to swap them out?

 

[tm america]

alot of guys are running the outer wheels without duals and without the hubs flipped i havent heard of anyone having problems because of it..i thought about fliping mine back to protect the mud flaps wheen offroad .but i dont like the look of them that way

 

[LowTech]

JesusGatos, you said that you had singled yours as well. Did you reverse the flanges, or are you still running them as they were?
You've said that you are thinking of running it w/ what would have been the outside duelly config, are you going to flip the flanges back to stock?


TM, your are running singles on a M35? W/ or w/o the flanges revesed?

 

[jesusgatos]

Yeah, I flipped my hubs because I was sure that I was going to single-out the truck, but hadn't decided what wheels/tires I was going to run. But now I'm having a hard time finding wheels, and I'm thinking that I might actually swap the hubs back to the stock dual configuration. Almost definitely not going to do anything until I get my tires mounted and drive it though.

 

[LowTech]

We have been using ours, it's singled the same as yours, w/ stock 9.00 x 20 's
first, coming down the mountain canyon after doing it (hauling a M105, w/o brakes, loaded w/ 3/4 cord of firewood and the other 4 wheels), and then she drove it down the snakey wash they call a road out here, to haul back about 2 tons of gravel in the same 105.

Now I've got to get that gravel out so I can get back to work on turning it into a fuel-station

 

[Snarky]

tm america, what is it with you? Almost every recent post of yours that I've read is contradicting something that someone else has written. Sounds to me like timberline has some real-world experience with these rigs, and I appreciate that he took the time to post. But you're basically telling him that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Knock it off.

I'm talking about the tone of your posts in general, and I'm telling you that you're just coming off like kind of a ****.

As far as this conversation goes, who knows what any of us will notice, or when any additional stability might make all the difference? Why are you assuming that stability off-road isn't important to any of us?

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I don't think he attacked anyone in particular or started name calling, TM America just stated his opinion on the topic at hand.

I feel like if you had super singles and the right style wheels then there is going to be little difference in stability to smaller dauls. I wouldn't run stock tires singled out on a M109 but then again I wouldn't run stock tires period.

I've flipped my singled out stock wheels with the deep part facing outwards. My bearings are fine after thousands of miles of travel, I have the same stability I would have with duals unless I was driving my deuce down a rail.