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One man winch operation?

m16ty

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If you want to have more control over the winch when by yourself, hyd is the way to go. I've never seen a hyd winch on a A2 and according to my measurements, there are some clearance issues with the radiator if you go with a direct mount hyd motor. With that being said, I'm sure you could make it work and is really the best setup IMO.

I'm still thinking about going hyd winch on my truck. I've already got a hyd pump for the dump I just need to figure out the best way to mount the motor and drive.
 

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Anyone ever thought of rigging up some kinda handle to operate the pedal clutch from the front bumper? Like an old deuce parking brake handle with a cable to the pedal? You could lock it in either position AND adjust the ammount of tension, just a thought.

This is like trying to play baseball, alone....

I have winched alone, and regretted it.

I have winched with "strangers"(people unfamiliar with my trucks and winching) and regretted it.


You need a trained team.


In a combat situation, I can understand the need to compromise safety.
 
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... I've never seen a hyd winch on a A2 and according to my measurements, there are some clearance issues with the radiator if you go with a direct mount hyd motor. ...
the truck is going down for the engine swap this weekend.

i've already picked up the hyd motor and stand. while i was under there mocking it up, i believe it will just clear the cross member because the stand has a portion of it machined off - this is an A3 stand, but i believe any off-the-shelf motor stand can be similarly modified.

i will mount the stand and take some pics. if i have time, i will set the radiator back in and snap some pics to show how well it fits under the radiator.
 

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This is like trying to play baseball, alone...
i winched alone last weekend.

but, because i had no one else with me, i took several extra precautions. basically, i shut the truck down every time i had to get out of the cab. i did this to verify PTO trans engagement/disengagement and to unlock disengage the winch drum. also, the load was extremely light, but regardless i would reverse slack into the line (every time) to ensure that i would not be around a cable under tension.

it really only took a couple extra minutes. and if you have a long pull, you can shut the truck down and exit the cab to observe how the cable is winding every so often. this will take more time, but would be the safest method for conducting single-person winching operations.

having the truck shut down eliminates exposure to all hazardous energy sources from inadvertant error or equipment failure while making adjustments or verifications.

for those of you in the manufacturing world, it's like Lockout/Tagout.
 

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Scary. With the truck pto engaged, the moment the dog clutch is engaged there is no safety factor (with no one in the cab). That dog clutch absolutely won't disengage if it gets a load on it. If that single person cannot make it into the cab, something gets busted or that person loses a leg, or whatever other goofups Murphy can devise. Better to be failsafe. Doghead's methods get my vote.
 

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Doghead's method gets my vote for sure. I'm pretty sure that it's common knowlege that somewhere, some time, some how... Someone, even someone who knows better, will run the winch by themselves.

There is a LOT that can go wrong. The big key you need is patience. The second is diligence. Otherwise it's not "if", but "when" an appendage is removed. Hopefully it's removed from the truck and not you.

Make sure the PTO lever is tight, the linkages are tight, and the gate is dead nuts accurate. TRY YOUR HARDEST to get the lever in gear and "tease" it back and forwards to see if you can clip the gate over it without getting it fully into neutral. It should be fool proof. Once it's fool proof, you can use it as a second opinion for your first hand observation that the winch is indeed in neutral.
Make sure the winch is in top shape. Every part of it should work properly, the drag brake, and the drum clutch latch become even more important if you're on your own. (I notice that I see more winches without a drum clutch latch than with them, including mine. There needs to be an alternate solution and it needs to be a positive failsafe solution.
You should find the oportunity to winch something just for the sake of doing so, WITH assistance, and take the opportunity to be in both jobs. In the cab, and outside the cab. Know and be familiar with the sound and feel of a properly working winch, a properly winding cable, etc. You won't be able to pick out something that's wrong until you know what's right.
Don't be too complacent to make the effort to get in and out of the truck. Tie a rag on the cable about five paces or twenty feet out. Never let that rag out of your site. When gets near your line of site at the hood, it's time to check the wrapping. At that time, move the rag out five paces again.
Know where that rag disappears from view. Know exactly how your winch chain fits into that distance. Be sure you are able to stop your winch BEFORE the chain wraps around it. It will not even slow down, the only noise you'll hear is the exensive one. Keep a small bar to stick into the u-joint at the worm gear, wind the last couple of turns by hand.
DO NOT BE COMPLACENT. It's a pain in the butt, you feel like you're running back and forth more than you are winching. That's as it should be, to remind you you're doing what should be done with two soldiers... The winch and PTO mechanism are NOT inherently fail safe devices, they are metal, cold, unfeeling, uncaring, and unbelievably strong devices that just don't care. You can not task a machine like that to babysit a wire rope, which is cold, unfeeling, uncaring, only "believably" strong, and broken or otherwise, if given the chance will sometimes throw a temper tantrum.
YOU babysit the wire rope. YOU babysit the winch controls. YOU babysit the bystanders who don't understand the dangers of winching. YOU babysit the bystanders who think they know enough to help but actually don't. And when you get a break in that, THEN you get in the truck truck and operate the thing.

Really, honestly... It is so much easier and depending what you're up to it's often faster to hold off and recruit an extra pair of hands.
 

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Wreckers use an air cylinder to disengage the clutch for the rear winch.
I don't have a wrecker but I do have a rear winch off of one. The winch doesn't have a clutch (it's in gear all the time). There is an air cylinder that works the tensioner on the level wind but that's it.
 

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I don't have a wrecker but I do have a rear winch off of one. The winch doesn't have a clutch (it's in gear all the time). There is an air cylinder that works the tensioner on the level wind but that's it.
He (Stretch)was referring to the fact that the wrecker has an air cylinder on the transmission , that actuates the throw out shaft(on the passenger side). It allows you to operate the trucks clutch from the rear drag-winch position(from outside the cab).
 

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I have run my winch once.

I'm embarassed to say that I did exactly what the OP is talking about.

I threw the outside drum clutch lever in with the PTO running. I think I'm lucky to be alive/unmangled. The truck overpowered its parking brake and started moving. I had to cross the tensioned cable to get in the truck as quickly as I could to push the clutch pedal in.

I have been reading the TM's every chance I get but in this particular case the truck was very new to me and I got over excited.

I haven't messed with the winch since but next time I have an all new respect for it.

To confirm - the winch is cold and uncaring. Don't disrespect it and know WTF you are doing.
 

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7Dust, your post above is exactly what we are trying to explain to others.

THANK YOU for sharing your experience here, to help others.
 

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As stated in the FIRST post " Korean war vet, he worked on a 5 ton wrecker "
We are talking about apples and oranges here
This is the difference, on a 5t the drum clutch is on the driver side, on a deuce its on the other side, so if to do the one man thing on a deuce, you would HAVE TO cross the loaded cable to get to the cab, A BIG NO NO and a lot of time to get there, on the other hand, on a 5t, its just a matter of a step and your up in the cab or just reach up and kill the motor. I still say IF THE NEED ARISES, it could be done SAFELY in a 5t but NOT in a DEUCE,
 

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I have done one man recoveries by my self several times but I've had several years of operating these trucks. If you have just gotten your deuce or 5 ton you need to learn how to use it safely. But you say how do i get experience find a buddy that you trust and then talk it over then try to stay out of trouble and not have to use it.
 

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IF THE NEED ARISES, it could be done SAFELY in a 5t but NOT in a DEUCE,
Once you understand the mechanics of the drum clutch on the Deuce, I can't think of a single good reason or time to throw that lever with the PTO engaged.

The only reason *I* did it is because I openly admit I didn't know WTF.

I don't mind embarassing myself if it keeps someone else from serious injury or worse.
 

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He (Stretch)was referring to the fact that the wrecker has an air cylinder on the transmission , that actuates the throw out shaft(on the passenger side). It allows you to operate the trucks clutch from the rear drag-winch position(from outside the cab).

Ok, I misunderstood his post.

I've had this exact thing on my mind in regards to the deuce winch. I'm going to have to check that out in the TM to see if it could be retrofited to the deuce.
 
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The Vet said it was INTENDED to be used that way, not you COULD use it that way. :cookoo: I'm beginning to think he was talking about another type of winch. Whatever the case I hope I never find myself in a situation where I have to winch alone. :beer:
 

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maybe I think too much ahead or am in a dream state. But If this is sooo critical of an issue and could save someones life / truck etc Is there someone here on this site that could shoot a Video on the proper way to use the winch.. Put it on dvd , sell them ! Show different way to use the winch, snatch blocks etc.. B/T this site and ebay it might be a good thing . I'd buy it! Reading a TM is one thing But seeing someone actually doing it and in different seninaros is better.. Just an Idea - sorry if its Goofy
 

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maybe I think too much ahead or am in a dream state. But If this is sooo critical of an issue and could save someones life / truck etc Is there someone here on this site that could shoot a Video on the proper way to use the winch.. Put it on dvd , sell them ! Show different way to use the winch, snatch blocks etc.. B/T this site and ebay it might be a good thing . I'd buy it! Reading a TM is one thing But seeing someone actually doing it and in different seninaros is better.. Just an Idea - sorry if its Goofy
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxnFB_Lz-ss[/media]
 
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