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GVWR for an M916

skrauling

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Greetings, all! New member... I just acquired a '79 M916 that I'm planning on doing a lot of local hauling with for my farm. I'm filling out the SF97 form through GL to get a title for it. On the form, they are looking for a GVWR. I talked to the state DMV and they told me that this was for tractor and trailer. What would be the right number to plug in there?

Thank you for any/all assistance!
 

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GVWR for a M916 is 56,000 lbs. GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) is 106,000 lbs. GVWR on a tractor is a weird thing, as the GCWR is what is imporant if you're pulling a trailer. I'm not saying either of these numbers is what you could/should/would put, I am merely stating what is in the TM.
 

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Does it ask for GVW or GVWR? Odds are they are asking GVW which is different then GVWR. If they are asking for GVW then what they want to know is the total amount of weight that you want to haul. This can be more or less then GVWR. This is how much weight you can have if you cross a scale and is called the registered weight or tag weight. The amount you set is very important when dealing with a semi tractor. Since the cost of most tags for semi trucks are based on the GVW (the higher the number the higher the price) you don't want to go too high since you would just be wasting money, but you also don't want to go too low because if you get caught weighing in excess of the registered weight they will nail you with a hefty fine. And I'm not sure if you are looking at farm tags (nor do if I know if they will have any effect on this issue) but if you want to exceed 55,000 pounds they have a heavy vehicle tax and that's another hefty fine if you get caught hauling a load ove 55,000 pounds without having paid the tax.

When you chose your GVW try to look at the fee chart first. They group the weight in ranges (10,000 to 14,999, 15,000 to 19,999, etc.) and each state has their own ranges. I have a semi truck I use for personal stuff and when I went to get tags I was going to get a GVW of 40,000 pounds. But when I looked at the Florida breakdown of weight ranges I noticed the fee range I fell in to covered from something like 36,000 to 43,999 pounds. So for the same price I would have had to pay for 40,000 pound tags I bumped the GVW to 43,999 for the same price. So ask DMV for a chart showing the ranges of fees if you could. Might even be able to find it on the web site for your state's DMV.

Edit: Sorry, just re-read the question. DMV would be asking for GVW as GVW deals with your registration and not the title itself. For the paperwork for GL for the title don't know whay they would want the GVWR. I've only seen a vehicle's empty weight on a title, not its weight rating.



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Welcome to the site!

I would recommend putting the max that you are comfortable paying for and also what you will max out at hauling, you don't want to pay the penalties.

FYI, the m916 has the 3.5 in king pin 5th wheel, if you didn't know that already.
 

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As Ruppster says, you should seek advice relating specifically to your state when it comes time for registration and license plates.
 

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Ruppster sorta nailed it although I found his post very confusing the first time through.

DMV most likely want the Gross Vehicle Weight GVW, which is what the data plate says for total truck weight. Basically curb weight.

However you need to check because some states add weight. For example in North Dakota you will be hard pressed to find a pick-up with a GVWR on the registration that says anything less than 10000lbs.

Reason being the NDCC says that GVWR is 2 times the GVW but no less than 10000 lbs.

Which is why I need a CDL for a M35....
 

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Ruppster sorta nailed it although I found his post very confusing the first time through.
Sorry, speaking in plain English is a foreign language to me. So is typing. :)


Reason being the NDCC says that GVWR is 2 times the GVW but no less than 10000 lbs.

Which is why I need a CDL for a M35....
Man, I thought California was F'd up. That's the dumbest formula I've ever seen a state use instead of a manufacture's data plate.

As far as the G in GVW it should mean Gross, as in total weight. Don't know how they can be using GVW to ask for unladen weight.



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Ok I got a weird 1 for you . Both the titles for my m813 and m920 say 00gvw and 00cgvw ??? LOL .
I put the #s in the applications on both that corispond with the data plates on the truck.
 

skrauling

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Thanks everyone. Very helpful group! I submitted my SF97 and so when that comes back, it'll be time to head to the DMV to register the truck. I'm a farmer so at least for now, the CDL isn't an issue in MN. Our farm truck weight class is too low for what I need out of this rig so I guess I'll find out what the right weight class will be when I see the options. A lot depends on what I can round up for trailers too but I see a good variety out there. Are the military flat beds good investments? I'm going to need a pretty stout one, it may need to move a newer D-5 Caterpillar (10-12T) every once in a while.

Good info on the king pin. A diesel mechanic said I could "drop a different eye in there..." He was more concerned about the height of the plate. There's a spacer and the ramp that look like they should come out pretty easily but even still, they wouldn't get down to the level a civilian rig sits. Is that because of the spring suspension as opposed to the air ride system? As long as that won't be a big deal for the trailers, I don't care too much anyway but it seems a little peculiar.

Sure was fun driving it home! :)
 

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Ok I got a weird 1 for you . Both the titles for my m813 and m920 say 00gvw and 00cgvw ??? LOL .
I put the #s in the applications on both that corispond with the data plates on the truck.
Do you have antique or regular pickup plates? IIRC antique plates shouldn't have a GVW on them. Not sure about pickup plates.



Good info on the king pin. A diesel mechanic said I could "drop a different eye in there..." He was more concerned about the height of the plate. There's a spacer and the ramp that look like they should come out pretty easily but even still, they wouldn't get down to the level a civilian rig sits. Is that because of the spring suspension as opposed to the air ride system? As long as that won't be a big deal for the trailers, I don't care too much anyway but it seems a little peculiar.
The military fifth wheel is taller then civilian type fifth wheels because they can pivot two ways, side to side and front to back. Civilian fifth wheels can only pivot front to back. The type of suspension has no effect on the type of fifth wheel. As far as the kingpin issue there was a thread recently where someone mentioned they knew the part number of the top plate for the smaller kingpin as that was all that was needed to be changed. But I don't think the part number was ever posted. If you want that thread let me know and I will dig it up when I get back from Richloam.



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Sorry, speaking in plain English is a foreign language to me. So is typing. :)




Man, I thought California was F'd up. That's the dumbest formula I've ever seen a state use instead of a manufacture's data plate.

As far as the G in GVW it should mean Gross, as in total weight. Don't know how they can be using GVW to ask for unladen weight.



Ruppster
Yeah I screwed up didn't mean to say curb weight. And I only mentioned it because of the ND thing.

I thought it was f'd up to but when I started to think about it. They are doubling the reported GVW for vehicles in the state. Which increase funding...

GVW for a M916 is 56000.
 

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I have historic tags and could understand that on the registration. But on the title ????
Yeah that's why I screwed up I was thinking title which asks for shipping weight here, and registered weight which is double that number.

Two items on question... I think I confused my self.
 

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Thanks everyone. Very helpful group! I submitted my SF97 and so when that comes back, it'll be time to head to the DMV to register the truck. I'm a farmer so at least for now, the CDL isn't an issue in MN. Our farm truck weight class is too low for what I need out of this rig so I guess I'll find out what the right weight class will be when I see the options. A lot depends on what I can round up for trailers too but I see a good variety out there. Are the military flat beds good investments? I'm going to need a pretty stout one, it may need to move a newer D-5 Caterpillar (10-12T) every once in a while.

Good info on the king pin. A diesel mechanic said I could "drop a different eye in there..." He was more concerned about the height of the plate. There's a spacer and the ramp that look like they should come out pretty easily but even still, they wouldn't get down to the level a civilian rig sits. Is that because of the spring suspension as opposed to the air ride system? As long as that won't be a big deal for the trailers, I don't care too much anyway but it seems a little peculiar.

Sure was fun driving it home! :)
Ok....the proper GVWR to put in to the SF97 for the M916 would be 56,000#.
That number consists of the tractors "curb weight" (truck operating weight like full tank, driver and passenger and so on...) and the max load that can be carried on the trucks fifth wheel.

Also, the fifth wheel can be lowered by taking out the spacer you mentioned. You will have to take the ramps off as well or modify them to match the new hight of the fifth wheel.
The top plate can be changed to a 2" kingpin version...
Holland part# XA-351-A-L-P (cost new about $800.00)

Hope this helps...

Soni
 
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