Frame vin decode?

[paulfarber]

I already submitted what i could to CARNAC, but seeing that I have a a somewhat original 66 the other VIN threads are not matching exactly...

So, just in front of the left shock mount (some numbers are actually covered by the bracket I see:

36-19-R
XX-29-66 I read XX as a '10'.. I can clearly see a 0 'zero' )
10872005

None of this info is on the data plates.

Anyone have a decoder ring????

 

[glcaines]

The numbers on my 69 Kaiser dataplate are 32525922 4N21469. I have eight digits on the VIN, same as you, so I believe your VIN is 10872005. I have seven digits in my registration number. You only have six digits listed. The last 66 is obviously correct since you have a 66 model. The rest of your registration number doesn't look right. David Doyle wrote an article a few years ago on interpreting the numbers on Deuces. You might want to do a search and look for the article as I remember it being very well written with loads of information.

 

[m16ty]

Something isn't right with the numbers you posted. A 1966 M35A2 should read something like this- 0125-XXXXX (M35A2 W/W should be 0139-XXXXX). There should not be more than 9 numbers stamped in the frame.

If the third and fourth numbers are really "29" , You need to contact David Doyle http://www.steelsoldiers.com/sendmessage.php?do=mailmember&u=2535 . He's been looking for one of these trucks.

What does your data plate say?

 

[paulfarber]

Thats whats on the frame rail.

Ser No 4k1897
stock no 2320-077-1616
Mfr no 0225 14770

I just would like to know what the VIN is to get an SF-97.

 

[doghead]

0225 14770 That is your VIN #, use no space(on the data tag there is usualy a dash after 0225)

 

[doghead]

Was this the GL description?

1966 Kaiser Jeep Mdl M35A2 6X6 2 1/2 Ton cargo truck Sn 4K-1897-0225-14770, soft top, GVW 18,030 lbs, truck starts, meter indicates 0064 hours, odometer indicates 32,101 miles, manual transmission, 2 speed transfer, White Mdl LDT-465-1D 6 cylinder multi-fuel engine, includes bows & side racks, **BUYER LOAD**


This should have been listed like this, Sn 4K1897 Vin 0225-14770

 

[mikey]

This thread is great. No matter how many times I search this forum I find conflicting answers regarding the vin. To make matters worse, the data plates and GL make it even more confusing. I know that I should check the frame of my truck, and I will, but I'm a few hours away from my trucks and the data I have on hand is confusing. I should add that my two trucks came from Mechanicsburg as did Paul's truck. It makes sense that the same person there is listing the serial numbers incorrectly.

GL descriptions truck 1:

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Kaiser Jeep Mdl M35A2 6X6 2 1/2 Ton cargo truck Sn 4K-3412-0225-15688[/FONT]

GL description truck 2:

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Kaiser Jeep Mdl M35A2 6X6 2 1/2 Ton cargo truck Sn 04A-29870-0325-26318

Now if you look at the data plates below they are both different and one includes the SN and VIN combined. Both trucks are 67 kaiser jeep.

Once again, I will get the number from the frame, but before I knew that existed this was very frustrating and confusing.


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[paulfarber]

Was this the GL description?

1966 Kaiser Jeep Mdl M35A2 6X6 2 1/2 Ton cargo truck Sn 4K-1897-0225-14770, soft top, GVW 18,030 lbs, truck starts, meter indicates 0064 hours, odometer indicates 32,101 miles, manual transmission, 2 speed transfer, White Mdl LDT-465-1D 6 cylinder multi-fuel engine, includes bows & side racks, **BUYER LOAD**


This should have been listed like this, Sn 4K1897 Vin 0225-14770

Thats the one.

Should I be worried that 0225-14770 is not stamped anywhere?

I had the State Police out last time to verify the vin on my CCKW and he would not accept a data plate, he needed a frame number.

I don't want to put down a vin that I can't have 'validated' if PASP looks for it.

 

[treeguy]

Dumb question, where should one look on the deuce frame to find VIN #'s?

 

[mikey]

Dumb question, where should one look on the deuce frame to find VIN #'s?

the only dumb question is one that hasn't been searched yet...

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/members-rides/62871-2011-vin-info-thread.html#post744883

 

[paulfarber]

Never mind.. and THANKS!!!

Found the VIN stamping on the *LEFT* side 0225 14770.

Although I did find this:

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/deuce/16909-vin-question-sf-97-a.html

"Tom, if you would like to PM me with the numbers you've found, I can tell you which (if any) are the VIN. I can probably also verify the year the truck was manufactured.

While for most trucks the VN is located on the driver's side frame rail forward of the centerline of the axle. It is a nine-digit number stamped in a single line. An example would 0525 12345.

On older trucks, apparently such as yours, it is possible that the VN is stamped in other locations, including the passenger's side of the vehicle. It is also possible that the VIN contain six digits. This could follow either of two patterns, 123456, or M12345. Some of these trucks are stamped wtih the manufacturing dates wtith other numbers nearby. These numbers are not the VIN. I am not sure what they are (and haven't spent a lot of time investigating), but they may be part numbers, since the same numbers are stamped on mulitiple vehicles. Trying to use this as the VIN could lead to problems, for if someone else made the same mistake, two of you would be trying to title the "same vehiicle" An example of this is attached.

If the numbers you have found do not fall into one of the three patterns described above, you should keep looking.

Hope this helps,
David Doyle"

I have the same numbers... so its no good for a vin, but HOPEFULLY I can say that 10-29-66 is build date.

My jeep is 10/42
My M1 Garand is a 10/42 SN

My mom was born in October and my dad was born in 1942... hows that for numerology? All my MVs I can link to a family members year, month or date of birth. Its like I was *SUPPOSED* to have them.

 

[treeguy]

Wooooohooooo, thanks "Search Police"!, I found it. Didn't want to start a war, just got caught up reading this thread and hadn't a clue where to look so I asked.

 

[m16ty]

Never mind.. and THANKS!!!

Found the VIN stamping on the *LEFT* side 0225 14770.

According to David Doyle's article, your truck is a 1967. Post in Carnac's thread and see what he comes up with.

I wish we could have David's article "Deciphering the codes" posted on the site. It's the best article I've found for reading the VIN and what it tells you. Only way it could happen though is if David Doyle and/or John Adams-Graf signed off on it because it's copyrighted. If you want a copy you can order issue #119 at www.militaryvehiclesmagazine.com .

 

[CARNAC]

Never mind.. and THANKS!!!

Found the VIN stamping on the *LEFT* side 0225 14770.

Although I did find this:

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/deuce/16909-vin-question-sf-97-a.html

"Tom, if you would like to PM me with the numbers you've found, I can tell you which (if any) are the VIN. I can probably also verify the year the truck was manufactured.

While for most trucks the VN is located on the driver's side frame rail forward of the centerline of the axle. It is a nine-digit number stamped in a single line. An example would 0525 12345.

On older trucks, apparently such as yours, it is possible that the VN is stamped in other locations, including the passenger's side of the vehicle. It is also possible that the VIN contain six digits. This could follow either of two patterns, 123456, or M12345. Some of these trucks are stamped wtih the manufacturing dates wtith other numbers nearby. These numbers are not the VIN. I am not sure what they are (and haven't spent a lot of time investigating), but they may be part numbers, since the same numbers are stamped on mulitiple vehicles. Trying to use this as the VIN could lead to problems, for if someone else made the same mistake, two of you would be trying to title the "same vehiicle" An example of this is attached.

If the numbers you have found do not fall into one of the three patterns described above, you should keep looking.

Hope this helps,
David Doyle"

I have the same numbers... so its no good for a vin, but HOPEFULLY I can say that 10-29-66 is build date.

My jeep is 10/42
My M1 Garand is a 10/42 SN

My mom was born in October and my dad was born in 1942... hows that for numerology? All my MVs I can link to a family members year, month or date of birth. Its like I was *SUPPOSED* to have them.

Paul,

I hate to say it at this point but my POST #1 Instrauctions in my VIN INFO THREAD states in the very last paragraph with a photo:

For M35A2s the location of the frame serial number is shown below but on some former A1 models it is in the same position on the passenger side even if the truck was rebuilt to an A2 model.

and then a photo showing the location. I thought I had mentioned/reinforced this when you asked me but maybe a failed to do so. Sorry about that.

Also showed your serial number as the mfg number in one of your posts and the registration number listed as the serial number.

"Thats whats on the frame rail.

Ser No 4k1897
stock no 2320-077-1616
Mfr no 0225 14770

I just would like to know what the VIN is to get an SF-97"

Also in 1971/72, your stock number was technically changed to 14 digits stock number with the addition of the country of origin identifier. It is now 2320-00-077-1616. The 00 (and 01) identify the country of origin as US. A 21 would be Canada, 12 is Germany, and there are others for each of the NATO countries.

Hope this helps.
CODECOUNTRYCODECOUNTRY00United States24Iceland01United States25Norway11NATO26Portugal12Germany27Turkey13Belgium28Luxembourg14France29Argentina15Italy30Japan17Netherlands31Israel18South Africa32Singapore21Canada66Austrialia22Denmark98New Zealand23Greece99United Kingdom

Regards

CARNAC

 

[mikey]

This thread is great. No matter how many times I search this forum I find conflicting answers regarding the vin. To make matters worse, the data plates and GL make it even more confusing. I know that I should check the frame of my truck, and I will, but I'm a few hours away from my trucks and the data I have on hand is confusing. I should add that my two trucks came from Mechanicsburg as did Paul's truck. It makes sense that the same person there is listing the serial numbers incorrectly.

GL descriptions truck 1:

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Kaiser Jeep Mdl M35A2 6X6 2 1/2 Ton cargo truck Sn 4K-3412-0225-15688[/FONT]

GL description truck 2:

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Kaiser Jeep Mdl M35A2 6X6 2 1/2 Ton cargo truck Sn 04A-29870-0325-26318

Now if you look at the data plates below they are both different and one includes the SN and VIN combined. Both trucks are 67 kaiser jeep.

Once again, I will get the number from the frame, but before I knew that existed this was very frustrating and confusing.


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OK, I am quoting my own post for SN reference. I am NOT going to argue what I believe to be correct or incorrect, I am only going to advise to my fellow members what I have been told today.

I got a call from Government Liquidation today and they will not process my requests for SF97 using the VIN#'s that I provided. I provided the VIN as described in this thread and by Carnac as well as others. For example, truck#1 above I supplied 022515688 as the VIN. GL will only accept my SF97 request if I use [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]4K3412022515688 as the VIN.

Truck #2 get's more interesting. Before submitting my SF97's I took the advice of fellow members and checked my frame. Deuce #2 has a different VIN on the frame than on the data plate. The GL spokeswoman said she was going by the pictures of the data plates that they have on record and that is the way they have to do it. I will call back Monday and discuss this with her in more detail.

Just an FYI to others who may be submitting SF97's.
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[CARNAC]

And Gov Liquidation is full of idiots that don't know anything about the military or working these type of technicalities of military property. WTF do I know.

My advice is use the nuclear option. Write your Congressman and ensure you tie GL to DLA. For instance you write that "Gov liq a contacted agent of the Defense Log Agency is refusing to issue a SF97 as required by law." Then go into the details that they sold it based on the dataplate information found in the cab versus the legal vin found on the frame. If you add to that a vin verification from a LEO, you will most likely have them by the bollucks.

 

[mikey]

Carnac, thanks for the advice. I am 100% confident that your interpretation of the VIN is correct. I mean just like a regular car, the frame VIN does not lie. And the frame VIN on the deuce does NOT include the model# "[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]4K-3412" on my deuce.

[/FONT]I want to do this right. I'm hoping a photograph of the inside of the frame and some common sense conversation on Monday will convince them to submit the paperwork as I have. Unfortunately, even if they accept photo's of the frame, I'll need a few weeks to get them as I'm three hours away from my deuces. However, I'd gladly accept that delay to ensure I get the proper paperwork. God forbid they request LEO to verify it, because this is an area of PA with no local LEO and I'm sure a trooper will laugh at me if I ask him to make a trip out to the sticks to verify a VIN.

I'll keep you all posted on what happens next.

 

[m16ty]

I've had a sf97 request submited for about 3 weeks now. I gave them the frame number and they haven't called me yet.

 

[CARNAC]

I wasn't at all taking it personally. I just hate it when people in 'what they perceive is power' are stuck on stupid. We can fix a lot of things but we can't fix stupid.

 

[CARNAC]

I've had a sf97 request submited for about 3 weeks now. I gave them the frame number and they haven't called me yet.

Yet if it were government run, it would be fast. Let me tell you how fast.

Johnny, Billy, and Biff were playing ball one day and started bragging about their dads.

Johnny says "My dad is so fast, he can throw the ball in from the pitchers mound and run in, grab a bat and hit the ball before it croses home plate."

Billy says "Awe that ain't nothin'. My dad is so fast he can hit the ball, run out to the outfield catch it and throw it in to hom plate, do a run around the bases and slide into home plate in time to catch the ball."

Biff says, "My dad is faster than all of yours. My dad is a government employee. He gets off work at 5 pm and he's home by 2 pm."