Has this oil really been in there 19 years?

[91W350]

One of our deuces has a 1992 rebuild tag on a 1978 engine block. The truck is a 1970 model. The engine oil look new... clearer than new Rotella. I have driven the truck about five miles. The only logical explanation I can think of is that it never got driven after the overhaul.... Hauled to a national Guard lot in Kansas and forgotten. I have certainly driven it far enough to stir up the dirty pockets that always cloud the oil after an oil change. I thought it was kind of unusual... Glen

 

[combat32]

Is it possible? You bet. I have seen rebuitlt vehicles in MATES sites and other storage sites that had no miles since rebuild.

I remember seeing some 1009's released to law enforcement agencies in Texas in the mid to late 90's that had never been issued to any unit, I think they had been sitting at Red River since new, all still had protective seat covers, BII still in the wrap and less than 200 miles.

 

[SouthernSteel]

Very odd indeed,Oil doesnt go bad completely but i suppose after that length of time am sure an oil Change might would be due Cause the oil to break down wouldnt it The oil does have an experation date

 

[SouthernSteel]

Is it possible? You bet. I have seen rebuitlt vehicles in MATES sites and other storage sites that had no miles since rebuild.

I remember seeing some 1009's released to law enforcement agencies in Texas in the mid to late 90's that had never been issued to any unit, I think they had been sitting at Red River since new, all still had protective seat covers, BII still in the wrap and less than 200 miles.

Would have loved to get ahold of 1 of those :]

 

[hole]

My truck was the same way when we previewed it. Clear/clean oil before we started it and after running for 15-20 minutes, it was still clean. I figured it couldn't have been ran much since over haul. That was one of the big reasons I made sure to try and win the old girl.

 

[Wildchild467]

That is very interesting. My question is what did they do for engine break-in after the overhaul? I know with diesels they should be propery broken in so the rings are set and the cylinders do not glaze. My M35A2 runs great and does not smoke much at all. Now my M109A3 with the multifuel smokes more than my cargo deuce but still runs very well. It just makes me wonder if anything was done to break in freshy rebuilt diesels not just multifuels, but any of the military rebuilt diesels.

 

[paulfarber]

If you read the TMs some tasks are schedualed based on miles, time, or both. It could be that a unit was PMing trucks that were not driven to simply fill the schedule. Yes, it is VERY POSSIBLE that trucks that were not driven still had the oil changed. When I was i the Navy our PMMP had us change the filters and lights on gear we never turned on. But the PM said change it, so it was changed.

 

[91W350]

It had some pretty sorry looking batteries in it.... I wonder if it has been sitting inside someplace as the top still has fold lines in it. The seats have what appear to be brand new covers on them, not all sun bleached out and the material is pliable, not in the hardened crunchy state. It also had a brand new first aid kit, M35A2 manual and tire inflation hose with glad hand and pressure gauge on it. Several of the tires are new and the spare still has legible stickers on it. It is interesting, sure runs and drives nice. Be looking forward to getting it loaded and pulling. Have a master cylinder issue to solve first though. Everything but the brake fluid is properly filled and clean, brake fluid had leaked down. Eventually, somebody is going to score a very nice mechanical, but ugly deuce. I hope the two winch trucks with like looking engines waiting for me at Riley are in this kind of mechanical condition. Glen

 

[SMOKEWAGON66]

i dont know whats really going on there....but the one time i had a truck that had clean oil after running....was because the oil pump wasnt pumping at all and the oil was just sitting in the pan...not moving. so when i see clean oil like that i get worried

 

[combat32]

That is very interesting. My question is what did they do for engine break-in after the overhaul? I know with diesels they should be propery broken in so the rings are set and the cylinders do not glaze. My M35A2 runs great and does not smoke much at all. Now my M109A3 with the multifuel smokes more than my cargo deuce but still runs very well. It just makes me wonder if anything was done to break in freshy rebuilt diesels not just multifuels, but any of the military rebuilt diesels.

Yes they do, my friend was a maintenance WO in Germany at an engine rebuild shop where they rebuilt multi's and 6.5 diesels.He told me they ran them on the dyno before putting them in the can, remember in the Army when you get a replacement engine it has to be ready to go, no break in you just take off like a bat outta **** after the mechanics drop it in.

I know I sure drove em hard, but we took good care of them as well.That being said I have gotten a bad engine or two and one tranny for a M113 right out of the can that I remember.Nothin sucks worse than finding out the replacement engine you got and have been workin on to get back in your Bradley for the last 10 hours is bad, now you get to start all over.

 

[renovate7]

Well this is interesting. I've been seeing quite a few 60's trucks coming out recently including mine, as well as the low mileage A3's, last to be built. This truck has a 1988 Toule rebuild tag on the engine and showed 66,000 miles on odomoter. All the fluids, including the differentials, looks NEW, like it went in yesterday. My front tires have little wear and are dated mid 2007. The spare is new and still has the paper tag on it. Which units were/are the last to turn in their M35's? Certainly not front line heavy users?...Judging by all the new parts on this truck I'm guessing it went thru a MAJOR rebuild in late 07 early 08. Do the bumper markings tell anyone who had this, it came from Warner Robbins in Georgia.

 

[combat32]

Not sure who turned in last, but last year I saw a Tennessee NG unit here at Ft. Chaffee and they were still using A3's at that time, there might still be a few out there on Active Duty as we speak.Your bumper numbers ain't ringing no bells with me, I can tell it was truck 31 though

 

[91W350]

i dont know whats really going on there....but the one time i had a truck that had clean oil after running....was because the oil pump wasnt pumping at all and the oil was just sitting in the pan...not moving. so when i see clean oil like that i get worried

You can hear the difference in the turbo as the pressure builds. I have run it enough to be throwing rods by now. I was pretty nervous though when I pulled the radiator cap and saw some dirty oil drops floating in the nice green coolant. I expected foamy oil. Anyway, it fired right up and everything seems to be in good condition.

Glen

 

[91W350]

I am sure my neighbors just love me!

Some more photos from the back yard. I even fired it up for you! Note the new hood that had been pretty well ruined by moving the truck with a fork lift, the chains to the front bumper clevises work great as long as they are pulling the trucks, when they push them back though, the hood gets damaged. This might be DRMO damage, it is not Gov Liq damage. Glen

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[zout]

I have personally seen oil so thick from deterioation - that you had to pull the oil pan and scrape the oil out it was that thick. You could stick a piece of steel standing up in it and it would not budge.

Try pumping that chit through your rod and main bearings - none the less the cam bearings.

 

[91W350]

More photos....

I need to move these someplace else to make room for the two I have coming home.

 

[91W350]

More...

Last three.... nice job on the wiring harness for the instrument panel. That was supposed to be today's job, but things do not always go as planned. Glen

 

[onegmjack]

renovate7 I think the 287 TC, is the 287th Tranportation Corp. out of Tennessee or maybe Virginia. Dwight

 

[onegmjack]

I looked it up on the net,it's listed in Livington,Alabama,not sure but I think that what the numbers and letters mean.Dwight