939a0 designation debate

[Csm Davis]

Nothing comes up with a Google search. What is it?

Also the P1 gets a different NSN, the NSN for the M931A2P1 is 2320-01-523-1117.
The air ride trucks should have been a E2 and also the Bosnian armored trucks should have been a E1 not sure which was done first. But what would a M931A1P1 with air ride be? And that is not a wishful truck as I have seen some.

 

[Jeep Nasty]

So what about the ROPS cab trucks? They are very different but carry the A2 designation.

 

[Csm Davis]

So what about the ROPS cab trucks? They are very different but carry the A2 designation.

If you ask me those should have been A3's.

 

[Recovry4x4]

They are what the data plate says with field modifications. This is clearly discussed in the mil standard. With that said, if it's your truck, you can call it a Buick if you like!

 

[doghead]

https://buickman2.wordpress.com/2013/12/09/1940-buick-roadmaster-pickup/

 

[wreckerman893]

Let me throw this in just for S&G's. Camp Shelby was a rebuild facility for military trucks for a long time. When I started going down there in 95 they were still rebuilding the 800 series trucks and I drooled over the lots around post brimming with trucks awaiting rebuild or scrapping for parts. Then they switched to the 900 series until they closed.
It may be possible that someone with a sense of humor and access to the Data Plate stamping machine decided to have some fun with co-workers or people on down the pipeline.
The truth is stranger than fiction Judgy Wudgy.

 

[Csm Davis]

They are what the data plate says with field modifications. This is clearly discussed in the mil standard. With that said, if it's your truck, you can call it a Buick if you like!

Okay the Bosnian armored trucks could be considered a field modification but the air ride and the ROPS trucks should be a different NSN and designation.

 

[Recovry4x4]

Okay the Bosnian armored trucks could be considered a field modification but the air ride and the ROPS trucks should be a different NSN and designation.

There is a procedure for that in the Mil Standard too. Perhaps folks were asleep at the wheel.

 

[Castle Bravo]

...the 800 series... ...the 900 series...

What are those?

 

[Monkeyboyarmy]

I have a straight 923. Sorry for all you guys that don't have a straight 923.

 

[Baradium]

I agree the "A0" designation doesn't exist but it is helpful when teaching people who have no experience in the military field or hobby. Saying M923, M923A1, M923A2 out loud gets tiresome and confuses them with all the numbers being spurt about not to mention all the other models of that series. I'm all for correctness for those within the hobby as we can spurt off M##A# and know exactly what we're talking about but for the common Joe they can't keep up. When I'm asked the differences between the m939 series trucks I go "There are 3 variants of the m939 series truck (or m923 if we are talking about it specifically). The base M923, which we will call the "A0" model, is blah blah blah." At the end of the comparisons I'll remind them the designation "A0" doesn't actually exist as it's just the base truck. Zero -> non-existent -> no designator.

I believe the A0P1, A1P1, etc designators are interesting and wouldn't be surprised to run across more.

Teaching someone with a designation that doesn't exist just means that they are more likely to learn it wrong.

 

[m16ty]

It's just a M939.

Just like there isn't a M35A0, M38A0, or M151A0. Nobody adds the zero to these, why is it that people think it's ok for a M939 series?

 

[fuzzytoaster]

Teaching someone with a designation that doesn't exist just means that they are more likely to learn it wrong.

I disagree, it's more of a learning aid when no visuals are present. The probability of them learning the proper nomenclatures right and mixing it up are far greater than if they got clear logical information they could remember then clarified.

 

[Recovry4x4]

Clear logic such as referring to something as something else that doesn't exist? By this logic I should be teaching my kids to count 0000000001, 000000002, 00000003 and so forth. All words don't have the same amount of letters and folks are getting by. All numbers don't have the same amount of digits and folks are getting by. Folks have been buying deuces since before the A1s came out and they got by. Same witb Jeeps. My opinion is that it just muddies the water.

 

[zebedee]

I have a straight 923. Sorry for all you guys that don't have a straight 923.

Are you sure? It could still be in the closet.

 

[doghead]

If you're gonna educate them, you should educate them correctly.

 

[Recovry4x4]

And after my digging around this morning and past discussions with transportation folks I believe that "basic" might be a better and proper way to designate the standard M939.

I've been pondering the "basic" term since it was introduced into this debate. Basic refers to a basic model of something. A more deluxe model would have extra options added to the basic model. An example that comes to mind is a Camaro and a Camaro SS. When dealing with these trucks, the A suffix refers to alterations in the platform and the 1, 2 etc refers to the succesive number. Is it correct to refer to the first design as basic? Is the second design deluxe? Are these options or production changes? I just don't see the need to add extra nomenclature.

 

[doghead]

I used to have a 73 Camaro A0.

I did fake badge it into an SS, A1

 

[doghead]

Or, was it an LT0 rather than LT1?

 

[zebedee]

I've noticed that when talking to non CCC M916 owners - ie: A1/2, they refer to the CCC M916's as "A0's" yet they were never designated as A0's.

Perhaps the A0 is added later, after the second, third generations of trucks arrive.

What would be confusing is seeing an XM_ _ _A1/A2...... second and third generations yet designated prototype/experimental.

'splain that one!