another trans question

[Hookin1]

...Roger at CTC said that is a week link in the tranny,said to run synthetic in it about 50 weight should take care of the problem..

Better read this first before buying expensive lubricants!


http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index....&postorder=asc&highlight=synthetic+lubricants

After reading that i think i'll stick with gl-1........thanx gringeltaube...

CT i would guess the drain plug would be a good spot,unless you want to drill and tap a new spot?if you don't have a pto i guess you could put it in the cover plate???

 

[CameronM715]

If you are still interested in the original topic of gear ratio, I have a Spicer Wolverhampton England 3053 on my work bench with the top cover off. If you need to know some of the specifics regarding the gear ratio, let me know and I will try to figure it out.
Thanks,
Cameron

 

[Trango]

Where I am, GL1 is some spendy juice. I found some Caterpillar lube that's yellow metal safe (that's the most important criterion) and rings in about 45 bucks for the 5 gallon pail. Of course, my tranny (6855) is a big thirstier than your standard deuce tranny, but still.

Bob

 

[gringeltaube]

If you are still interested in the original topic of gear ratio, I have a Spicer Wolverhampton England 3053 on my work bench with the top cover off. If you need to know some of the specifics regarding the gear ratio, let me know and I will try to figure it out.
Thanks,
Cameron

Welcome to this very best site, Cameron.
As we always say: still learning! ...and trying to share knowledge if possible.
So, if you would do us a big favor, mark input and output shafts and turn the input shaft 12 complete revs. while counting how many revs. the output shaft did. (If it was exactly 16, the o.d. ratio would be 0.75).
The other way is counting teeth on a) input shaft gear/ b) countershaft 4th drive gear, c) countershaft 5th gear/ d) mainshaft 5th gear. I.e. the 3053A is a) 29T/ b) 42T, c) 46T/ d) 25T. Let us know what you found.

TIA
Gerhard

 

[rmgill]

Shell has a bronze safe gear oil. cost $35 for a 5 gallon pail. Gotta go to a Shell distributor to get it though.

 

[CameronM715]

I did the test of turning the input shaft and counting the revolutions. The input shaft turned exactly 11 times for 14 at the output and 12 for approximately 15.25. My math gives a ratio of approximately .7857 to 1.

 

[gringeltaube]

Cameron, thanks for the info. Sure it's a straight 3053 (no A)? Because yours is pretty much the same ratio as the 3053A. (25/46*42/29 = 0.7871)

Still wondering what ratio houdel has in his gearbox.

Gerhard

 

[CameronM715]

The ID tag on the trans does not indicate what it is. This is the info that I got from Gov. Liquidation:

The Source for Critical Information and Insight
6/27/2006 10:01:51 PM
Welcome Government Liquidation User!

NSN INFORMATION 2520-00-884-4833

INC: 52152 ITEM NAME: TRANSMISSION,MECHANICAL,VEHICULAR FIIG: A522L0
CRIT X TIIC 4 RPDMRC 3 ADP DEMIL Q HMIC P ESDEMI PMI U

MCRL INFORMATION 2520-00-884-4833
Part No. RNCC RNVC RNFC SADC DAC CAGE Name
4031T2 5 9 1 X 56442 DIAMOND REO
M0D3053 BM3886-3 3 2 3 6 95019 DANA CORP
10872096 5 2 3 X 19207 US ARMY TANK

ML-C INFORMATION 2520-00-884-4833
SA SOS MCD UI QUP AAC SLC RC CIIC Price
DA AKZ K21NKX- EA 1 C 0 H U 1,664.00
DF FLZ SF8---V EA 1 C 0 T U 1,664.00
DM MPB 2522S2- EA 1 C 0 D U 1,664.00
DN AKZ 9A--R9- EA 1 D 0 U 1,664.00

Procurement History Information 2520-00-884-4833
Date Contract No. SOS Qty Price UI CAGE Vendor
1990/10 DAAE0790C0546 AKZ 2669 1,302.82 EA U1809 TURNER POWER
1990/10 DAAE0790C0546 AKZ 1351 1,332.52 EA U1809 TURNER POWER
1990/10 DAAE0790C0546 AKZ 3987 1,333.33 EA U1809 TURNER POWER

Technical Characteristics ( ILs ) 2520-00-884-4833
MRC Requirement Reply
AGAV END ITEM IDENTIFICATION TWO AND 1/2 TON M/F

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

VENDOR INFORMATION CAGE: 56442

Co.Name DIAMOND REO TRUCK CO
Address
City /State /Zip SOMERSET, PA 15501
Country UNITED STATES
Phone
SIC

Type A Affil Size Pri. Bus. Woman Type Bus

Replaced CAGE: Assoc. CAGE: OE Status F CAO S3911A ADPP HQ0337


VENDOR INFORMATION CAGE: 95019

Co.Name DANA CORP
SPICER TRANSMISSION DIV
Address 5428 N NATIONAL DR
City /State /Zip KNOXVILLE, TN 37914
Country UNITED STATES
Phone
SIC

Type A Affil D Size E Pri. Bus. J Woman N Type Bus N

Replaced CAGE: Assoc. CAGE: 51205 OE Status A CAO S1103A ADPP HQ0338


VENDOR INFORMATION CAGE: 19207

Co.Name U S ARMY TANK AUTOMOTIVE COMMAND
AMSTA-IM-MM
Address 11 MILE RD
City /State /Zip WARREN, MI 48397
Country UNITED STATES
Phone
SIC
Formerly FORMERLY U S ARMY TANK-AUTOMOTIVE MATERIAL READINESS COMMAND TACOM

Type A Affil Size N Pri. Bus. N Woman N Type Bus N

Replaced CAGE: Assoc. CAGE: OE Status A CAO S2305A ADPP HQ0337

VENDOR INFORMATION CAGE: U1809

Co.Name TURNER POWERTRAIN SYSTEMS LTD
Address RACECOURSE ROAD
City /State /Zip WOLVERHAMPTON, WEST MIDLANDS WV6 0QT
Country UNITED KINGDOM
Phone 01902 833000
Fax 01902 833750
SIC

Type E Affil Size Pri. Bus. Woman Type Bus

Replaced CAGE: Assoc. CAGE: OE Status A CAO ADPP

 

[M35A2]

guys my trans is actually a spicer looks like the one on the right in the pic.the tag says tmc wolverhampton england,3053(no a) but on inspection buy a company that rebuilds truck axels and everything gear driven they confirm it is actually a spicer 3053a.....sorry it is a 3053 not a 3043.....typo i hav'nt counted the teeth yet...but here are some pics....also am working on finding out if they make a kit.......and trying to get all the part numbers for everything.

Fantastic. I never realised they were made in the UK. If I'm able to get the parts easily, then an iffy 3rd gear doesn't sound too bad after all.

My Girlfriend is from Wolverhampton too....

 

[M35A2]

Here is the website for the company that makes the deuce tranny.

http://www.turner-powertrain.co.uk/powertrain.html

 

[wallew]

...Roger at CTC said that is a week link in the tranny,said to run synthetic in it about 50 weight should take care of the problem..

Better read this first before buying expensive lubricants!


http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index....&postorder=asc&highlight=synthetic+lubricants

G,
I read that thread. Royal Purple Max-Gear 75W90 and it says SPECIFICALLY "great for manual transmissions requiring GL-4 or GL-5 Fluids" and "Meets performance requirements of MIL-L-2105E".

SO, using those EXPENSIVE LUBRICANTS could save your tranny. I would also consider using PROLONG additive (use the one for the oil, not the automtic transmission).

jim

 

[devilman96]

As were all are whom we are this debait will rage on forever... However I just swapped my trans over to Synthetic today and DAMN what a diffrence in shifting!!! More like a Ford Ranger than a Deuce!!!

 

[gringeltaube]

Syntetics to deuce tranny?

Not all synthetics are based the same and not all trannys are used the same way or worn to the same level. May be you can run synt. gear oil forever in your tranny and never have any problems...

For being a typical truck tranny using common GL-1, I would say shifting is fairly easy, up or down, hot or cold. And yes, synt. oil improves shifting. But remember, there are real week points like that third gear spinning directly on the shaft. Who could tell us what kind of lube/additive is best for that particular spot? All I know is that my buddy burned two trannys using synthetic and that he successfully went back to normal straight mineral SAE90.

Gerhard

 

[wallew]

Dman and Gman had the opposite extremes of possibilities to what can happen with using synthetics.

Having said that, I have experienced it for myself. Using Syn in my tranny/TC/engine/axles IS on the list. And I'm REALLY particular about which brand. Royal Purple or nothing.

It's just so expensive. I will be saving up for it for a while, as a full lubrication change will run about $500. BUT I hope to NOT have to do it very often. Say once every three years. So spread out over that time frame, less than $200 a year is not that bad. It's like my tires. If you spread the cost of the tires out over the life of my ownership, then it too is less than $200 per year. So $400 a year in tires and maintenance costs isn't that bad.

Granted, I have to 'cough it up' in large chunks, but still, what's it worth to you?

Yes, I know, I know, if GL-1 was good enough 50 years ago (go over to the Conversations forum and see what it was like 100 years ago).

jim

 

[M543A2]

We have an English built 3053 in one deuce. We also notice the higher road speed mentioned in other posts above. We have no problem starting out in second gear with reasonable load, or unloaded.
Regards Marti