California Road Legal Title Crack-Down

[ikoinu]

California is now cracking down on Hmmwv's.

On road title that was obtained legally with a blue California vin tag that has been good for the past couple years flagged (no reason presented). Only option given is to accept OHV title. I spoke with a vin officer I know, he indicated that California is looking to remove former military vehicles from the road.
I do not know if this extends to CUCV 's or Deuce's, but Hmmwv's are persona-non-grata apparently.

Just wanted to warn anyone else who is currently legally titled here that the jack-boot is coming down. Best of luck.

 

[Reworked LMTV]

This will continue until SS members get organized and unified in fighting the legislation. I have tried to organize people on a macro level, but it seems futile. Too much in-fighting.

 

[BLK HMMWV]

What's a blue Vin Tag. ?
I'm guessing they are HMMWV's that have 17 digit Vin #'s.

 

[8madjack]

Blue tag is a California assigned vin, usually used on home built and/or kit cars or certain salvaged title vehicles. I have a pickup truck with a ca blue tag. They are also known as special construction vehicles. My registration on that truck lists it as SPCNS.

 

[BLK HMMWV]

Ok Thanks

Why did they have to get a new vin # assigned to them?
Did it have anything to do with how they were sold?

 

[ikoinu]

That's right.
When you have a vehicle that doesn't have a vin number, or one that has less than 17 digits as of now, you take it to the highway patrol and they inspect it. They make sure it meets all of the road requirements, such as lighting/bumpers/seat belts etc.

If it meets all of the requirements, they issue a new vin plate which is riveted to the vehicle (blue tag in CA) and that becomes the vin for it. They also give a letter of acceptance which you can take to the DMV and register the vehicle like all others.

Unfortunately, the state seems to be back tracking on titles it has already issued.

 

[BLK HMMWV]

So it doesn't have anything to do with ones that were sold as off highway only stamped on the paperwork from Gov planet
in recent years?
Kind of sucks that they issued plates then changed their mind.
Have a friend with a Pinz they did that to. But I think he only had the plates a week and they told him they made a mistake and took them back.
having it registered for a couple of years or more, then doing it doesn't seem right.
Sorry to hear this is happening.

 

[ikoinu]

Thanks, appreciated.
I could say I'm surprised but this is California.

Hopefully for everyone else's sake I am the outlier, not the standard.

 

[Flyingvan911]

That’s crazy.

 

[Ajax MD]

Contact member @TMOMW and request his advice and guidance. He is helping to overturn bogus laws and directives across the country.
If he doesn't respond here, search for him on Facebook under "AMVO" American Military Vehicle Owners.

He won't fight your battles for you, but he'll arm you to the teeth with information and will come to your state to testify alongside you, if necessary.

 

[TMOMW]

hello, feel free to call me tomorrow if you want so we can talk about it.. 2545355490..
thanks

 

[BenRoberts]

Yet another reason to give the finger to California.

 

[Reworked LMTV]

I get the fact that everyone focused on their own state. These things I know.

Gradually the AAMVA will attempt to get all DMV heads to take MV's off the road. The cancer must be cleared at the AAMVA. Not all DMV heads of respective states attend these meetings. There are many aspects of their arguments that are incorrect. They need to be educated in a professional way, as to the where there arguments do not hold water. There needs to be a National Group of MV owners specifically for this purpose.

 

[BenRoberts]

What is the major issue these folks have against our vehicles? I have never understand why they want them off the road. At the end of the day they are wheels and an engine. Obviously common sense is a no factor with these folks.

 

[ikoinu]

Ajax MD : Thanks for the heads up.
TMOMW: Will do.

 

[BKubu]

I get the fact that everyone focused on their own state. These things I know.

Gradually the AAMVA will attempt to get all DMV heads to take MV's off the road. The cancer must be cleared at the AAMVA. Not all DMV heads of respective states attend these meetings. There are many aspects of their arguments that are incorrect. They need to be educated in a professional way, as to the where there arguments do not hold water. There needs to be a National Group of MV owners specifically for this purpose.

I am unsure what the AAMVA meetings look like, but I assume they are like most conferences with presentations. If so, having someone like TMOMW attend to present the facts would be beneficial. In that case, we would have to pay for his time, travel, and expenses. I heard that this meeting is where it all started through a presentation about the off-road use only issue and HMMWVs. I heard this from a respected military vehicle collector and activist who is connected with the MVPA, although I don't know if he wants his name mentioned so I won't do so here.

 

[Ajax MD]

@Reworked LMTV In Maryland, it's not our MVA that is trying to remove FMV's, it's the state police via the ASED (Auto Safety Enforcement Division).

As per usual, the MSP doesn't want to be burdened with having to differentiate between Historic or full-use tags and they also don't like how difficult it is to prove in court that a driver was operating the vehicle outside of its operating restrictions. (Using a Historic tagged vehicle for daily transportation, for example.) It's just easier to ban everything.

On top of this, a new bill was just introduced that would require Historic tagged vehicles in Maryland under 40 years old to begin complying with emissions requirements. This is just ludicrous on its face given the difficulty in finding emissions components for vehicles this old. (I realize that this wouldn't apply to nearly all FMV's).

Anyway, my point is that this battle will have to be fought on multiple fronts. It's not just AAMVA, it's state police, misinformed legislators, people who are scared of tall, green trucks, etc. It just blow my mind that the public has been purchasing and operating surplus military vehicles for over 70 years without incident, and all of a sudden in the last 5-10 years, there is this burning need to legislate them out of existence.

This is truly a solution in search of a problem.

 

[Reworked LMTV]

What is the major issue these folks have against our vehicles? I have never understand why they want them off the road. At the end of the day they are wheels and an engine. Obviously common sense is a no factor with these folks.

They basically want to avoid MV's on the road because there are so many variants and laws, they don't want to take a look at research the shows safety compliance. They also use a blanket statement that because these vehicles do not have an EPA sticker, that they do not meet emissions for that year. TO my knowledge many MV do meet the EPA requirement

@Reworked LMTV In Maryland, it's not our MVA that is trying to remove FMV's, it's the state police via the ASED (Auto Safety Enforcement Division).

As per usual, the MSP doesn't want to be burdened with having to differentiate between Historic or full-use tags and they also don't like how difficult it is to prove in court that a driver was operating the vehicle outside of its operating restrictions. (Using a Historic tagged vehicle for daily transportation, for example.) It's just easier to ban everything.

On top of this, a new bill was just introduced that would require Historic tagged vehicles in Maryland under 40 years old to begin complying with emissions requirements. This is just ludicrous on its face given the difficulty in finding emissions components for vehicles this old. (I realize that this wouldn't apply to nearly all FMV's).

Anyway, my point is that this battle will have to be fought on multiple fronts. It's not just AAMVA, it's state police, misinformed legislators, people who are scared of tall, green trucks, etc. It just blow my mind that the public has been purchasing and operating surplus military vehicles for over 70 years without incident, and all of a sudden in the last 5-10 years, there is this burning need to legislate them out of existence.

This is truly a solution in search of a problem.

I don't disagree with you. MD is its own state and it can do what it wants, but it is suspicious that both are curiously using similar tactics.

 

[tobyS]

This will continue until SS members get organized and unified in fighting the legislation. I have tried to organize people on a macro level, but it seems futile. Too much in-fighting.

Good luck...they are cowards

 

[Ajax MD]

Good luck...they are cowards

Mmm... I'd say more like lazy or "it can't happen here" mentality. Also, busy and distracted (which politicians depend heavily upon when passing objectionable laws).

How many comments have we seen here along the lines of "Glad I don't live in that crap state." These are the "it could never happen here" folks.
We are rapidly learning that this stuff can happen anywhere and everywhere.