Deuce pulling a pintle hitch trailer

[DDR1992]

Can a deuce and a half m35a2 pull a tandem axle pintle hitch equipment trailer without no suspension modifications to the trailer because of the height of the pintle hook on the deuce

 

[98G]

This kind of thing?

What size tires on the deuce?

 

[DDR1992]

This kind of thing?

What size tires on the deuce?

Stock military tires, double tires on tandem axle

 

[98G]

Either of the two trailers I pictured would tow dead level.

Electric brakes and lights would need some tweaking.

 

[DDR1992]

Either of the two trailers I pictured would tow dead level.

Electric brakes and lights would need some tweaking.

Would air brakes work better? So the pintle hook is about the same height as a dump trucks pintle hitch?

 

[98G]

Air brakes would be a direct connect, and possibly provide springbrake emergency brakes as well. LED lights would allow for using 12v or 24v.

I haven't compared deuce pintle height to dump truck pintle height. It's going to be at least somewhat close or better.

 

[DDR1992]

Air brakes would be a direct connect, and possibly provide springbrake emergency brakes as well. LED lights would allow for using 12v or 24v.

I haven't compared deuce pintle height to dump truck pintle height. It's going to be at least somewhat close or better.

Thank you for letting me know.... Last question: could you take a CDL test with a deuce and a half m35a2

 

[98G]

Thank you for letting me know.... Last question: could you take a CDL test with a deuce and a half m35a2

Maybe, but they're going to hate it.

It's really not similar to modern commercial truck designs.

I'd rent a truck and trailer. Give them something plain vanilla that they're used to dealing with.

 

[DDR1992]

Maybe, but they're going to hate it.

It's really not similar to modern commercial truck designs.

I'd rent a truck and trailer. Give them something plain vanilla that they're used to dealing with.

Thank you for letting me know that... You answered my questions so thank you

 

[KN6KXR]

I dunno. I did my commercial test in a M936A2 and the guy seemed to have a really good time.

 

[canadacountry]

In regarding to @KN6KXR theres "one little catch", the m930-series had airbrakes so thats likely why it wasn't an issue for typical cdl, the m35/m36 on other hand are basically hydraulic [just to keep english simple] which would had possibly likely be a sort of "light truck with no airbrake, unable to carry airbraked trailers" restrictive-conditions cdl at the most or only applicable toward a car license (aka the same license you need for to drive that big 3-axle winnebago, just had to say that! heh)

[edit: I just want to say that I'm not saying anything definitive, just from what I have found out about licensing in general for around/near me, i know usa itself is a big 'spaghetti' of different localized definitions]

 

[Barrman]

Depending on tires a M35 pintle hitch will be 32 (9.00)-34(11.00) inches above the ground.

As others suggested don’t drive a military truck to get your CDL. Dozens of post over the years to search for about how that rarely ends well.

 

[KN6KXR]

In regarding to @KN6KXR theres "one little catch", the m930-series had airbrakes so thats likely why it wasn't an issue for typical cdl, the m35/m36 on other hand are basically hydraulic [just to keep english simple] which would had possibly likely be a sort of "light truck with no airbrake, unable to carry airbraked trailers" restrictive-conditions cdl at the most or only applicable toward a car license (aka the same license you need for to drive that big 3-axle winnebago, just had to say that! heh)

[edit: I just want to say that I'm not saying anything definitive, just from what I have found out about licensing in general for around/near me, i know usa itself is a big 'spaghetti' of different localized definitions]

Yeah I have an M35A2 as well, an M105A2 trailer, an M1102 trailer, an M817 and an M1087A0.... I'm pretty familiar.

The DMV here in CA doesn't have a clue. I was in there on other business and asked what licence I needed and they said a B. I went to take the test and they said I needed to take the A. I missed the written section for the A by one question because I didn't study that section. Came back and passed the A. Got the permit and went to take the practical they said I was getting a B. They are clueless.

During the practical the first examiner flunked me on the air brake because she said the pressure warning psi I said was wrong. It's right for the truck I was driving. Went and looked it up turns out I was right it's an either/or she was wrong. Went back for another practical and got a different guy. I explained to him that I was going to do stuff a little different because the most important thing is to be safe in the real truck more than the one on paper. I then quoted all the specs for both the truck we were using and what a commercial truck would be. They were fine with that.

The most important thing I explained to them was that I'm not looking to be a commercial truck driver. They basically asked me then why are you here? Well if I'm in a parade in my MV and have an accident do you think my insurance will cover me? I'm still driving out of class, right? I explained I just want to legally drive my collector vehicles. I'm not engaged in commerce, it's used for parades and club activities and work on my property and such. The folks over there seemed wound pretty tight and this softened them up a bit. So much so that during the practical the tester had a really good time. I asked him when he ever had a chance to check one of these vehicles out and he said never. It was a treat for him probably made his day.

If you tell them you want to drive commercial vehicles for money but want to take the test in an MV of course they are going to give you grief. Have you seen the idiots out there running rigs into stuff? No wonder they tend to be picky. If that's the case you better get a real commercial rig to take the test in.

So despite what folks say it's totally possible for an average guy to get his CDL in his MV. They ran me around a bit but that's because they don't understand. Once I got them to understand things went fine. We are a bit outside their normal scope is all. Do you need it? Well if it's 3 or more axles and in excess of 26,000 pounds GCVWR then yes you do. That's the rules. Do you think your insurance will cover you if you have an accident without a CDL? Chances are you'll be cited for driving out of class and be out in the cold. I don't know about you but I'm not risking my home and livelihood when I can take a few simple tests and jump some hoops.

Driving these vehicles is a big responsibility and should be taken seriously. We already have a hard enough time getting them plated and road legal for hobby purposes the last thing we need is bad press. Most of the states DMV's are already against us don't give them the excuse!

 

[98G]

Yeah I have an M35A2 as well, an M105A2 trailer, an M1102 trailer, an M817 and an M1087A0.... I'm pretty familiar.

The DMV here in CA doesn't have a clue. I was in there on other business and asked what licence I needed and they said a B. I went to take the test and they said I needed to take the A. I missed the written section for the A by one question because I didn't study that section. Came back and passed the A. Got the permit and went to take the practical they said I was getting a B. They are clueless.

During the practical the first examiner flunked me on the air brake because she said the pressure warning psi I said was wrong. It's right for the truck I was driving. Went and looked it up turns out I was right it's an either/or she was wrong. Went back for another practical and got a different guy. I explained to him that I was going to do stuff a little different because the most important thing is to be safe in the real truck more than the one on paper. I then quoted all the specs for both the truck we were using and what a commercial truck would be. They were fine with that.

The most important thing I explained to them was that I'm not looking to be a commercial truck driver. They basically asked me then why are you here? Well if I'm in a parade in my MV and have an accident do you think my insurance will cover me? I'm still driving out of class, right? I explained I just want to legally drive my collector vehicles. I'm not engaged in commerce, it's used for parades and club activities and work on my property and such. The folks over there seemed wound pretty tight and this softened them up a bit. So much so that during the practical the tester had a really good time. I asked him when he ever had a chance to check one of these vehicles out and he said never. It was a treat for him probably made his day.

If you tell them you want to drive commercial vehicles for money but want to take the test in an MV of course they are going to give you grief. Have you seen the idiots out there running rigs into stuff? No wonder they tend to be picky. If that's the case you better get a real commercial rig to take the test in.

So despite what folks say it's totally possible for an average guy to get his CDL in his MV. They ran me around a bit but that's because they don't understand. Once I got them to understand things went fine. We are a bit outside their normal scope is all. Do you need it? Well if it's 3 or more axles and in excess of 26,000 pounds GCVWR then yes you do. That's the rules. Do you think your insurance will cover you if you have an accident without a CDL? Chances are you'll be cited for driving out of class and be out in the cold. I don't know about you but I'm not risking my home and livelihood when I can take a few simple tests and jump some hoops.

Driving these vehicles is a big responsibility and should be taken seriously. We already have a hard enough time getting them plated and road legal for hobby purposes the last thing we need is bad press. Most of the states DMV's are already against us don't give them the excuse!

You've made a bunch of assertions that are specific to California and even more specific to your experience within California.

They don't apply elsewhere. They're merely one data point on a spectrum of data points.

Many states don't require anything but a normal driver license for a 939series truck, or even a HET.

In answer to your question as to whether I think insurance will cover me - yes, absolutely, so long as I'm not engaged in interstate commerce. The insurance company knows exactly what licensing i have, and exactly what vehicles i have and how i operate them.

 

[KN6KXR]

You've made a bunch of assertions that are specific to California and even more specific to your experience within California.

They don't apply elsewhere. They're merely one data point on a spectrum of data points.

Many states don't require anything but a normal driver license for a 939series truck, or even a HET.

In answer to your question as to whether I think insurance will cover me - yes, absolutely, so long as I'm not engaged in interstate commerce. The insurance company knows exactly what licensing i have, and exactly what vehicles i have and how i operate them.

Yes my experience is with probably the strictest state and my particular experience in it. That said it may prove valuable or useful to somebody which is why I posted it.

If you are exempt as a farm vehicle then yes you can drive anything over 26,000 pounds such as a HET (within certain parameters). Since I don't own a farm, and want to be as legit as allowed, I took the trouble. Also most of the 939 series are under 26k but not all (the wrecker is 36k). The three axle rule is a CA thing but the 26k is a federal requirement here's a link https://ai.fmcsa.dot.gov/NewEntrant/MC/Content.aspx?nav=License

You have more faith in insurance than I do. Hagerty didn't even know I had a CDL until I told them. You can buy insurance for anything even without a valid license. (In fact a homeowners policy won't cover an uninsured non-op vehicle on your property.) The CDL test is simple I don't understand why you would give them such an easy opportunity to keep from paying. Maybe you've had better experience with insurance than I have. I'm not going to take the chance. For the $100 every 2 years for my "physical" I pay to keep my CDL it's worth it. Shoot outside CA it's probably $50.....

People are going to do whatever they are going to do. Drive motorbikes without an endorsement, big trucks and motorhomes over 26k without a CDL, etc, etc.. Personally I'm not going to let somebody else's mistake screw me up. I've worked too hard to get where I am. That's my call. I just thought I would post up what the actual rules were and my experience in my state navigating them. In case anybody was interested.

 

[98G]

Yes my experience is with probably the strictest state and my particular experience in it. That said it may prove valuable or useful to somebody which is why I posted it.

If you are exempt as a farm vehicle then yes you can drive anything over 26,000 pounds such as a HET (within certain parameters). Since I don't own a farm, and want to be as legit as allowed, I took the trouble. Also most of the 939 series are under 26k but not all (the wrecker is 36k). The three axle rule is a CA thing but the 26k is a federal requirement here's a link https://ai.fmcsa.dot.gov/NewEntrant/MC/Content.aspx?nav=License

You have more faith in insurance than I do. Hagerty didn't even know I had a CDL until I told them. You can buy insurance for anything even without a valid license. (In fact a homeowners policy won't cover an uninsured non-op vehicle on your property.) The CDL test is simple I don't understand why you would give them such an easy opportunity to keep from paying. Maybe you've had better experience with insurance than I have. I'm not going to take the chance. For the $100 every 2 years for my "physical" I pay to keep my CDL it's worth it. Shoot outside CA it's probably $50.....

People are going to do whatever they are going to do. Drive motorbikes without an endorsement, big trucks and motorhomes over 26k without a CDL, etc, etc.. Personally I'm not going to let somebody else's mistake screw me up. I've worked too hard to get where I am. That's my call. I just thought I would post up what the actual rules were and my experience in my state navigating them. In case anybody was interested.

The federal requirement is only applicable when engaged in interstate commerce. And it kicks in for even a pickup truck with a 10,001lb trailer if you are in fact engaged in commerce.

In AZ for example, antique military vehicles are specifically and explicitly excluded from requiring a CDL, regardless of GVW or GVWR. Unless you're engaged in interstate commerce.

I wonder how your M936 passed inspection. The way it's written, I'd think the way the air brake valves are set up would not allow it to pass.

One reason for me not to have a CDL - my standard AZ drivers license doesn't require renewal, and a CDL does.

Another reason - imagine I'm driving the M925 from AZ to KS and I have a CDL. I get pulled over moving a load of my stuff. DOT is going to declare me commercial, and want all the logbook, authority, commercial insurance and everything else that goes along with being a commercial carrier. And I'm not a commercial carrier.

I've had a class A in the past. With hazmat and doubles.

I agree that the knowledge is well worth having. Getting a motorcycle license is also well worth having . The CDL will make you a skilled driver. The motorcycle endorsement will make you a defensive driver, or kill you...