Did the army change their desert paint?

[busbart]

Hello, I'm wondering, did the army change their desert paint at a certain point?

To me it seems that the hummers and other equipment that served in the desert storm operations were a bit more grayish sand than the latter type trucks that served in Afganistan, they seem a bit more yellowish to me.

is that possible?

I'm thinking of painting my M-884 in desert.

 

[MWMULES]

A lot of the desert storm era MV's got painted with, sand FS 30277, earth yellow FS 30257 and various other shades of tan that the military could get. Most US MV's were in woodland and there wasn't a lot of 686 FS 33446 Tan in the warehouse at the time.

In the rush to deploy units to the Kuwait Theater of Operations, the Marine Corps faced many of the same hurdles as the Army. The Marine Corps attempted to acquire traditional tan CARC through the Defense Logistics Agency (DLA), but the DLA was unable to supply adequate supplies of CARC to the Marine Corps because the Army had already depleted their supplies. Marine Corps headquarters logistics offices in Quantico, Virginia, quickly located an alternate paint supplier[SUP][SUP][146][/SUP] [/SUP]and a sole-source agreement was established with a manufacturer to provide a non-CARC, tan latex coating[SUP][SUP][147][/SUP] [/SUP]which came in powder form and was fast, easy, and safe to apply. The powder was mixed with water, and the resultant paint was spread with a brush or roller. The temporary coating was not intended for spray gun application, and there is no evidence that spray gun procedures were used.[SUP][SUP][148][/SUP] [/SUP]Although the coatings offered the visual tan camouflage that the Marine Corps needed, they did not provide many of the other advantages offered by CARC (e.g., ease of decontamination).
Many Marine units did not have time to wait for the temporary coating to arrive. As a result, a number of Marine units in the continental US awaiting deployment to the Kuwait Theater of Operations bought tan paints locally. These coatings included household latex, alkyd paint systems, and lacquer paints. The locally-procured coatings and the non-CARC temporary coating were applied outside in open-air environments, both in the continental United States and in the Kuwait Theater of Operations. No Marine Corps vehicles were painted by the Army operations at either Ad Dammam or Al Jubayl.
Though conversations with Marine veterans have revealed no serious adverse health effects to this work, there have been reports of minor rashes experienced during the paint operations.[SUP][SUP][149][/SUP] [/SUP]It is also important to note that the approved temporary coating used by the Marine Corps did not contain isocyanates. The use of respiratory protection for the application of the temporary coatings in these open-air environments was inconsistent, with air-purifying respirators and dust masks used in some cases, and no protection used in others.[SUP][SUP][150][/SUP][/SUP]
The Marine Corps redeployment policy on painting was different from the Army’s. Unlike the Army, no Marine vehicles returning to the United States were painted olive drab or woodland colors before redeployment.[SUP][SUP][151][/SUP] [/SUP]Instead, the Marine Corps waited until their vehicles had returned to the continental United States to strip and repaint them.

The above is from http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/carc_paint_ii/carc_paint_ii_s06.htm

 

[jasonjc]

I lot of units also got paint in theater. I seen 2 ACR got some paint for there aircraft that faded/turn pink. Yes they had pink blackhawks.

 

[juanprado]

my unofficial take is the earlier carc is more pinkish and the newer carc is more yellowish based on my unscientific observation of dozens of scrapper m939's. I also realize the sun fades it out but I have put some "new" tan carc parts on my truck that you can see a difference.

My m939 has more of a pinkish hue from 1983 than some trailers I had that were more yellow/tan 10-15 years younger. On the m939a2's, I especially noticed they are definitely more "tan".

ymmv

 

[busbart]

Well, I guess it's the same all over the world, you got your truck painted with whatever you could get your hands on.
I heard stories that even back in the second ww, the Germans (who had strickt procedures for everything, just as nowadays...) got painted their tanks with a mixture of engine oil and sand, or even mud!?
and in a lot of military vehicle clubs for ww2 jeeps etc, they have real heated discussions about the "correct" shade of green, while in reality they got their hands on anything what even resembled olive drab.

Stupid, actually I did know this answer, I only forget about it...

Thanks for reminding me!

 

[busbart]

I lot of units also got paint in theater. I seen 2 ACR got some paint for there aircraft that faded/turn pink. Yes they had pink blackhawks.

That must be a nice sight!

 

[jasonjc]

I took some pic but I was to far away to see them that good.

 

[charlesmann]

how about this for a pink hawk.


above pic. we were working a fire outside napa valley, ca back in 2017 and a slew of "pink" 60s were used to help combat the fires. also ran into some, seal i say colorful pink F model 47s during the camp fire/paradise fire, that left paradise, ca, not so much of a paradise.

 

[busbart]

Only markers for the fire brigade ???

 

[charlesmann]

Only markers for the fire brigade ???

Im guessing so. They had to have contrasting colors and pink def stands out.