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Diesel or Multifuel

bassetdeuce

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...These engines were an economy engine designed by International harvester and Cummins to replace the more expensive 466 ci in their farm equipment, however, they are very impressive and tough engines and the probably the best engine ever put in a pickup.) 359 ci at 15:1 to 17:1 just can't torque down low like 478 ci (turned up) and 21:1 compression.
Not to derail things, but wasn't the 5.9L Cummins first developed by Case? I'm rather ignorant of the farm tractor world, so I don't know the connection between Case and IH. BTW, I enjoy your posts regarding the MAN/Continental multifuel. Very interesting reading.
 

JasonS

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My understanding is that it was developed for Case.

Here are some of the design details
Inside The Cummins 6BT5.9

Inside The Cummins 6BT5.9
To those who are new to the diesel game, the Cummins B-series engine is thought of as an inline-six-cylinder engine that's used in Dodge trucks. In reality, the B-series product line consists of three-, four-, and six-cylinder, high-swirl, direct-injection engines with a displacement of 0.98L per cylinder and a bore of 4.02 inches and a stroke of 4.72 inches. The entire B-series family was designed to withstand high levels of turbocharging with conservative component loading.
6 = six-cylinder
B = B-series
T = turbocharged
5.9 = 5.9L

A Successful Design
When the B-series project was initiated by Cummins in September 1978, a special team was formed to focus resources, and the effort eventually grew to 214 people. The original B-series engines were manufactured at a joint-venture plant in Rocky Mount, North Carolina, that was owned by the Cummins Engine Co. and the J.I. Case Co.
The seven most important design objectives for the B-series engine were durability, reliability, emissions, performance, application adaptability, cost, and serviceability. In July 1983, production was started on the four-cylinder version for industrial applications. That was the first of new product introductions planned for the following three years. The engines were engineered to cover a broad power range in turbocharged and normally aspirated form. The original B-series engine enjoyed mechanical fuel distribution with 17mm closed-nozzle injectors.
Dodge And Cummins
In the early '80s, Chrysler was searching for a diesel powertrain to use in it's 3/4- and 1-ton trucks. By the end of 1983, industry sales of the larger pickup trucks were showing 22 to 25 percent diesel penetration, as established from market data representing Ford and General Motors products, respectively. Performance, durability, and fuel economy were the driving forces behind the diesel's acceptance.
The Cummins 6BT5.9 engine clearly possessed the necessary qualities to satisfy Dodge's market requirements. The modern design also had the compact size and weight that would be required for use in the '89-'93 line of Dodge trucks. In addition, Cummins' strong reputation among diesel truck owners and operators and its predominant presence in the Class 8 truck market was viewed as a strong advantage by Chrysler. In November 1984, Chrysler completed a nonfunctional hardware mockup of the proposed engine installation. A running concept vehicle was completed by Cummins in February 1985, and it confirmed the viability of the engine and vehicle combination.
The Block
The cast-iron engine block used a linerless design that had several important engineering functions. The block held an integrally cast oil cooler cavity, water pump volute, oil pump cavity, and the camshaft didn't require press-in bearings.
Cylinder Head
The cast-iron cylinder head used a two-valve design with the intake and exhaust ports entering from opposite sides (crossflow). Helical intake ports were used to achieve the high-swirl requirements, and the intake manifold was cast integrally with the head. This reduced cost and provided a smooth transition at the critical entrance to the intake ports. Exhaust ports were exposed to as little water jacket area as possible to increase the available energy to the turbocharger and minimize heat rejection into the cooling system.
The cast-iron cylinder head featured induction-hardened valve seats (Rockwell C-50) to avoid the need for pressed-in seats without compromising mechanical durability. This also provided a cost reduction over traditional inserts. The valveguides were also machined in the parent material of the cylinder head. Six bolts per cylinder were used to attach the head to the block, two of which were shared by adjacent cylinders. One bolt per cylinder also served to clamp the rocker-lever assembly to the cylinder head.
Valves
Exhaust and intake valve rocker arms were made of ductile iron, classified as SAE D5506, and operated without bushings on a simple shaft that was pressed into a unique powdered-metal support. This support provided the oil-feed passages, attachment holes, location dowel, and a square protrusion that located the rocker cover without the need for additional machining.
Camshaft
Mushroom-type, chilled iron tappets operated the valves from the camshaft motion through pushrod tubes (the camshaft was also chilled iron). Die-cast aluminum rocker covers were chosen for cost and structural reasons. This required extensive analysis of the cover to ensure even load distribution to the gasket surface.
Accessory Drive
The gear train was composed of six austempered, ductile iron helical gears. The only idler in the systems was a lightly loaded oil-pump idler gear. In addition to driving the oil pump through the idler, the crank gear drove the camshaft gear, which in turn drove the fuel-pump gear and accessory drive system. The accessory drive arrangement was used for a variety of applications such as power-steering pumps, air compressors, and up to a 50hp hydraulic pump.
A permanent-mold aluminum gear housing was used to locate and support the fuel pump and accessory drives, in addition to providing the back side of the enclosure for the gear train. A stamped steel cover carried the front crank seal and completed the enclosure for the gear train. Stamped steel was chosen for both cost and noise attenuation reasons.
Another important stamped steel part was the tappet cover. It not only served to seal the tappet opening in the block, but it also provided a crankcase breather, which allowed operation at 45 degrees angularity in all four directions.
The fan, water pump, and alternator were driven by a serpentine, eight-groove, poly-vee belt system. Several fan center combinations were made possible by keeping the fan drive separate from the water-pump drive. The drive was kept taut by a common automatic belt tensioner, which allowed it to last the life of the engine without adjustment. The fan and crank pulleys were manufactured with a stamping and spinning process. Neither pulley required any machining after being formed.
Oiling System
The oiling system on the three- and four-cylinder engines used an identical pump and had a capacity of 15 gallons per minute at 3,600 pump rpm. The six-cylinder pump had longer gears and was rated at 20 gallons per minute at 3,600 pump rpm.
Crankshaft
The crankshaft was forged steel and enjoyed induction-hardened fillets and journals with a front power takeoff capability. The main bearing journal was sized to keep the fillet stress below 35,000 psi and maintain oil film thickness of 0.000083 inch. Connecting-rod journal size was determined primarily by the six-cylinder torsional conditions. Its size was chosen to keep torsional amplitudes below 0.3 degree double amplitude and to achieve an oil film thickness of 0.000064 inch. Both bearing parameters were achieved at maximum load, the result being a very conservative piston, connecting rod, and crankshaft combination.
Connecting Rods
The connecting rods were identical for every cylinder and were used throughout the family of engines. A large 1.57-inch keystone small end was designed to reduce bearing loads and eliminate the need for forced lubrication. The large end of the rod was sized for the six-cylinder crank journal requirements that were imposed by torsional considerations. The resulting journal size forced the need for an angle split connecting-rod cap design to allow for the connecting rod's removal through the cylinder bore. The "shark's fin" location for connecting the cap to the rod was chosen to eliminate dowels and reduce cost by using a broached finish on the mating faces.
Pistons
Aluminum pistons were used throughout the B-series models. The naturally aspirated piston differed from the turbocharged piston in that it didn't require a Ni-resist cast-iron insert or a keystone top ring. Also, its combustion bowl had a different geometry, and the piston in the turbocharged application featured a three-ring design.
Cold-Start Driveability
Chrysler and Cummins engineers were very aware that many potential owners would have no experience with starting a diesel engine in cold weather, so gasoline-like starting characteristics were established for the engineering team to meet. The goal was for the engine to start and run within three seconds at zero degrees F and above with #2 diesel fuel. Also, the engine would need to start and run within six seconds at -10 degrees with #1 diesel fuel.
To meet those requirements, a single 1,025-cold-cranking-amp battery was factory fitted along with a 4hp gear-reduction starter and synthetic 5W-30 engine oil. The synthetic lubricant provided an increase in the average cranking speed of 15-20 rpm and a decrease of 100 amps from the battery over 10W-30 mineral oil at -10 degrees.
No Glow Plugs
The original cold-starting system was targeted to use an ether-injection design and glow plugs. During testing, it was recognized that these didn't provide consistent or acceptable starting and contributed to objectionable white exhaust smoke during warm-up.
The search for an alternative aid centered on the concept of heating the intake air to improve starting performance. Several devices were considered, but an electric grid-type heater appeared to be the most logical solution. This component is not to be confused with the glow plugs that heat the combustion chamber, but rather, this unit heats the incoming air. During engine tests, the air heater provided quicker starts over the other systems. Engines equipped with the heater would run smoother after start and weren't as prone to stalling when compared with engines that had ether and glow plugs. The heater system also had a post-start mode to reduce white smoke generated by unburned fuel in the exhaust. To minimize the load on the electrical system, it was proposed that a microprocessor be used to control heater cycles. The result was air-heater operation beginning at intake air temperatures below 60 degrees. The maximum amount of preheat was 20 seconds at temperatures below -15 degrees.
The heater system consisted of the air-heater unit mounted on the intake manifold cover, the microprocessor mounted on the left side of the dashpanel, two relays on the left inner splash shield, and a temperature sensor in the intake manifold.
Engine Cooling
Engine cooling was also a concern and proved to be a challenge. The longer overall length of the 6BT5.9 diesel engine when compared with a gasoline V-8 had the most influence on the final system configuration for Dodge.
The Cummins engine cooling requirements for the 6BT5.9 in a Dodge truck were that the system must provide enough heat rejection so the radiator top tank temperature wouldn't exceed 230 degrees at an ambient temperature of 100 degrees during any road load or grade condition. This goal was achieved with a 1.5-inch-thick, high-efficiency, down-flow radiator core with two rows of tubes and 16 fins per inch. It was made of heavy-duty copper and brass. The fan was 20 inches in diameter and had seven blades with a 2.4-inch projected width. The fan was operated by a viscous clutch that was beltdriven at 1.35 times the engine speed. A full box-type plenum fan shroud was the last component.

 

JasonS

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One intersting point is that the cummins has a 20gpm oil pump yet the filters aren't rated for that flow.

Part Number:51607UPC Number:765809516076Principal Application:Cummins 5.9L "B" Series Eng, Dodge PU w/Diesel Eng. (89-02), Various HD Equip. (For High Efficiency Fluted Version Use 57620XE).</B>All ApplicationsStyle:Spin-On Lube FilterService:LubeType:Full FlowMedia:PaperHeight:6.987Outer Diameter Top:3.670 Outer Diameter Bottom:Closed Thread Size:1-16By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI:NoneBeta Ratio:2/20=17/27Burst Pressure-PSI:350Max Flow Rate:12-16 GPMNominal Micron Rating:17
 

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Oh, goody, a tractor convo! I don't honestly know about Olivers with multis, but many old tractors had the capacity for "all-fuel" starting on gas and switching to kerosine or something...

IH came later, as it was originally Mckormik deering/farmall. Case was orange, and Case IH today is red.

Yes Olivers were dark green, but so was huber, and some other odd things...

As to the Daid Browns, give me some time to research and Ill let you know...

Nothing Runs Like a DEERE!
 

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I would never bash a B series Cummins and am not trying to do so, and if I had a deuce that needed a motor would definitely consider it (for lighter work) as it would be lighter, quieter, more economical, have more H.P., and have better road speed compared to a stock multi. Now, in the spirit of keeping this about military trucks let me clear a few things up, I only wish to inform those in need of info that the multifuel is a good engine with a bad rap, some of it deserved some of it not so, and before I personally would swap in a much smaller engine at great expense and labor I would correct the few things the bigger 478 needs, turn it up and drive with some sense. EG get the timing right, install at least a boost gauge, install no-drainback filters, allow them to warm up and cool down properly, keep valves adjusted, use "good" head gaskets and RE-TORQUE, use a good diesel oil AND a ZDDP additive as NO oil currently has enough for these engines, we also use Lucas additive in fuel and oil as new fuel has little for lube. as to the multifuel compared to a 1993 5.9 12V cummins for "economy design" I will list what the multi HAS to make it easier to service or stronger that the Cummins DOES NOT. most are in the category of "hey, look boss, we saved a-lot of machining/expensive mat'l there" 1,bronze bushed rockers 2,machine ground head STUDS with fine thread fasteners, 3, replaceable cylinder sleeves 4,replaceable cam bearings, 5, solid wrist pins 6, 3-piece exhaust manifold with expansion joints 7, valve rotators 8, DUAL valve springs, 9,stellite valve seats 10, stellite valve seats on INTAKE and EXHAUST valves 11, high capacity DUAL oil filters 12, water manifold with director nozzles at each cyl for more even cooling. 13 dual interchangeable cyl heads 14, large diameter barrel type cam lifters that can be renewed without pulling the cam out 15, two part oil pump with dual sumps for extreme angle operation, 16,7/16" valve stems. 17, FULL rectangular deck surface on cyl heads (NOT skeletonized) 18, independent machined billet or cast rocker stands that can be removed without disturbing head torque or using much longer weaker more" stretchy" head bolts (a source of problems on the B series) 19,Not having all accessories rely on 1 serpintine belt (ever see how long they stay on under water or tolerate mis-alignment?) 20, piston cooling "squirters" that can be removed for cleaning without crank removal. 21, positive KEYED taper fit injection pump drive. (Cummins relied on locktite and taper fit only on some engines and they often slipped) 22, COMPLETLEY replaceable water pump housing 23, seperate replaceable/REBUILDABLE oil pump. there are more. As to the rest they are mostly features of BOTH engines and most are nothing new to engine designs used since the 1930's by someone somewhere (part of what makes the Cummins a good engine, K.I.S.S.!) Cummins also had quality issues with blocks that depended largely on what country they were made in as well. as to that Cummins built in intake manifold, no. 1 cyl runs considerably hotter egt's due to poor port design and bolt bosses etc protruding into the port, I had to mill away a part of the manifold just to get inside and port it to correct this and then weld it back shut. On the multi-fuel the water around the intake manifold is the ONLY inter-cooler it has as the intake air can reach 300+ degrees and is not used on the Ag tractor. I have dynoe'd the multi-fuel several times however this was with the much smaller tractor turbo and manifolds which severely shut it down, we could only get about 160 H.P. this way and a-lot of BLACK smoke, (turned up all the way my M-35 just about cleans up now except the for 12" flame) but a Deere 466 inter-cooled with slightly larger turbo would make 250-275 turned up. With the much larger military turbo and other mods I believe that they can make 300-350 H.P. In summary put them both on a teeter-toter and see which one hits the ground first! (not in the same class and were never meant to be) However, if I ever own another diesel pickup it will be Cummins B series powered as virtually everything I listed the multi-fuel has STOCK can be purchased AFTERMARKET for it and they are about a bulletproof engine capable of over a million miles. I work NTPA diesel truck pulls regularly and have talked to and been in the shops of both the top Dodge and Duramax pullers, the difference? Dodge guy gets a couple of seasons on a motor and the "Duramax" guy has 4 crates with new blocks and at least 1-2 built engines ready to install at a moments notice with a jig to lift the body off of the truck to change them out quickly, sometimes between events after they blow (making a dynoe'd 960 H.P. a couple of years ago) sorry about the book, just trying to defend a maligned motor and, hopefully, save you guys a lot of money and heartache and help you to be very happy with what you have! besides, most people never get enough seat time in a 5-ton or deuce to ever wear out ANY motor! In the end the motor's life is in YOUR hands and it will live or die accordingly, because, unlike the new ones there is no computer to shut it down when an idiot asks the impossible!
 
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plym49

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M543A2, thank you for the 'books' as it is gratifying to learn these things from someone who has obviously BTDT.

You list several things that can be done to help mint out a multifuel, for example non-draining filters and cleaning the oil squirters. Other things would need the motor to come apart, for example better head gaskets.

It would be great to see some how-tos on these topics, well, not the obvious ones like filters, the non-obvious ones.

Regardless, thanks again.
 

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The deuces were not designed as long distance over-the-road trucks. They are purpose built, off road, tactical cargo vehicles. If you are looking for something to run all day long, day after day down the road, you may want to consider a different style vehicle or pay VERY close attention to your maintenance and in particular lubrication points for the truck. Also, plan on just about everything other than a horse drawn Amish buggy passing you as you run from state to state. 2cents Either way, get the TM's, read them and happy shopping!
 
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