How do you stop a non running deuce?

[wb1895]

I am planing on having Eric from Hotshots Tranportation pick up my deuce from Warner Robins as soon as my EUC clears Battle creek. Question, The GL website says that the deuce runs, but we all know how that goes, anyways, I know an 18 wheeler wont fit down my road and the closest intersection is about 100 yards from my home. It is all down hill from that intersection to my house BUT...... If the deuce doesent run then how do I get deuce to stop if going down hill? How would yall get it the 100 yards down hill, without crashing it into my house or other blunt object to stop?

 

[Westech]

the brakes will still work with out AIR. Just no power assist. If the brakes dont even work just the engine and put it in low gear low range and and let it (not running) idle down the hill and use the parking brake. If all is lost hook up a tow rope (at least a 20k) and use a truck to slow it from behind.

 

[Recovry4x4]

100 yards huh? Your property? You can always charge the air system from another compressor. I've unloaded several trucks off trailers with no brakes. If I'm rolling it off backwards I put the transfer in low range and the tranny in reverse. As you depress the clutch it will start to roll, let out on the clutch it will stop. I never let it go more than a few feet before stopping it. The mechancal advantage the compression has over the super low gears will keep all but a worn out multi from turning over even a bit. Going fwd I use low in both gear boxes. I would only do this on my own property where I can damage nothing but my own.

 

[LanceRobson]

As stated, the full braking ability will be there without air. It will take as much as 10 times the pedal pressure and all bets are off if the brakes have a major leak or they are otherwise inop.

Lance

 

[scooter01922]

I vote the tranny trick, worked like a charm moving the M35A1. Had to roll it off JT's trailer and i couldn't believe how fast it stopped when i let out the clutch.

 

[KaiserM109]

As stated, the full braking ability will be there without air. It will take as much as 10 times the pedal pressure and all bets are off if the brakes have a major leak or they are otherwise inop.

Lance

This doesn't make sense!!

When I was recovering my '66 Kaiser Jeep M109 from Ft. Riley, the brakes worked in the yard, but went half way down and felt mushie. I did a brake test in the gravel and went ahead had headed out towing my Bronco (My avatar pic was taken just outside the gate).

In Manhattan, KS in traffic the pedal went straight to the floor with a clunk and didn't even offer to help. The problem turned out to be water in the air. Without the air side, there was NOTHING. After draining the air the brakes were hard and at the top of the pedal. Are my brakes different, or is there some sort of problem in my system?

 

[poppop]

You should have a petal even with no air. All the air does is provide extra pressure with an air piston pushing the fluid along with your foot.

 

[Jake0147]

This doesn't make sense!!

In Manhattan, KS in traffic the pedal went straight to the floor with a clunk and didn't even offer to help.

If the pedal hit the floor, the problem was on the hydraulic side. In a properly working system, there is no air issue that could cause this. Intermittant problems of this nature are odd, but not unheard of. I can't really say what it is, but it has to be on the hydraulic part of the system. For example (and I'm not saying this has to be the issue...) a stuck wheel cylinder that has boiled excessive moisture (or the brake fluid it's self for that matter) will cause the pedal to drop, but by the time you panic, drift to a stop, check your shorts, walk around the truck looking for leaks, then try the pedal again, it may well be recovered. This also does not rule out something on the hydraulic circuit within the air pack but you would then have a corresponding fluid loss. With zero fluid loss, you're probably looking at a master cylinder issue, or a mechanical issue at a wheel causing too much travel. With certainty, the hydraulic system is still in full effect (albeit unassisted) when there is no air to assist. It takes two hands gripped firmly on the wheel, your back braced firmly on the seat, and both legs on the brake pedal to make enough pressure for a signifignat stopping force, but the pedal is there if the hydraulic system is up to par.

 

[KaiserM109]

wb1895, Sorry if I'm hijacking your thread.

Jake0147, This makes me worry; I thought I knew what I was working with, but I obviously have missed something serious. I have been planning to replace all rubber in critical places, so I suppose I need to plan a complete rebuild on my brake cylinders. There may still be a monster lurking beneath the floorboards.

About checking your shorts, after I unpuckered, I had to put 5 pounds of cotton back in the seat cushion. I steered for a traffic island and was considering what signs I was going to wipe out. The front axle and first rear axle popped over the curb but the back axle stopped the truck. It just occurred to me that if I’d been driving a bobbed deuce I would have had an expensive afternoon.

 

[BEASTMASTER]

if you are having someone haul you're truck. rig up an air hose and charge you're deuce system off the hoses of the tractor. piece of cake. most of those haulers usually have an air hose anyway.

 

[Monkeyboyarmy]

Eric will help you get it off of his truck.He will keep the winch hooked to it as you pull it off with another truck.He has a remote for the winch so that he can steer the deuce down the trailer.I would vote for the low gear method for stopping on the road.Just make sure the fuel shut-off cable is out so the truck doesn't start unexpectedly.

 

[swbradley1]

Just make sure the fuel shut-off cable is out so the truck doesn't start unexpectedly.

Or end up doing a "Mr Toad's Wild Ride" for 100 yards or until you see a tree than can lend you a helping branch or two.

sw

 

[atankersdad]

Like Monkey said, use the winch. Believe me he could probably back down your road unless there is overhead obstructions. Eric has recovered 4 for me and knows his stuff...

One more thought, get a compressor, and charge your braking system. But please make sure you have fluid in the master cylinder and you actually have brakes before starting this process.

 

[wb1895]

The only problem is I am still Over here in Iraq!!! I wont be there for the drop off. I am probably going to get my brother over to my house to stand in for me. Thanks for the advice guys. Heres hoping I/we dont crash the truck into my house.

 

[swbradley1]

If you are over in Iraq have you given any thought to getting a member close by (in NC) to possibly help out your Brother?

It sounds like with all the tips he should have a handle on it but it never hurts to ask.


sw