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DCIV-Putting them together now...did you ever PM me your item number?Still didn't get any news, curious about this weeks numbers.
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DCIV-Putting them together now...did you ever PM me your item number?Still didn't get any news, curious about this weeks numbers.
No as I was trying to wait like I should be doing. But PM sentDCIV-Putting them together now...did you ever PM me your item number?
Oh snap, your a month behind me!Can you check the status for mine please.
Item 887349 Sold on 5-9-17
Looking at this post a second time, there clearly would be a better way to handle the "sale", which would be to put the money that is to go toward the vehicle into an escrow account to be released when the vehicle and documents necessary for titling/registering are delivered to the buyer.This problem will bring some pretty big problems for people in many states.
Lets look at the potential problems this is causing in NC. You can find the total list of all applicable laws here: https://connect.ncdot.gov/business/dmv/dmv documents/nc title manual.pdf
and here: http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/Statutes/StatutesTOC.pl?Chapter=0020
First, it is of questionable legality to transfer ownership of a vehicle without a valid title, CoO or SF-97 to give to the person at the time of sale. NC law requires that it be provided at time of sale:
So it looks like the SOP even when thing are running "smooth" is likely not legal in NC
But the buyers are being pushed into violating the law because of the paperwork shortage:
It is literally a crime you can be convicted of to not get a title within 28 days.
This mess is actually putting buyers in a position of committing a crime, a relatively minor one but still a crime that goes on a criminal record, because they are not being provided the documents legally required to be provided them. And the state doesn't care one bit that the feds are not giving you paperwork or that they require you to sell items at a certain speed, so by offering for sale and delivering vehicles in NC without any idea when you will be able to provide the proper paperwork you are screwing customers.
And you can't just say the sale date was later:
Because that is a crime. In fact if you are dating SF-97's at date of signature that is likely not legal for sales in NC.... and if your telling buyers in NC to use this date as the date of sale you are probably telling them to commit a class 3 misdemeanor.
Its a very convoluted mess- by state law in NC until you have the title, CoO or SF-97 transferred to you you are not the legal owner of a motor vehicle. So essentially by selling vehicles, taking money and transferring possession without providing the paperwork legally required by the state to be provided for any vehicle sold in the state they are making a huge legal mess. if its GP's stance that ownership is transferred on delivery they are failing to comply with NC law and not providing the legally required documents. If they follow what NC law says then even after your truck is paid for and taken home your not the legal owner and can't do anything with it...
Of course if this mess makes the NC DMV inspectors start really looking hard at GP they may start asking why they are not a licensed auto dealer.
Part of the problem is they are doing this in 50 different states and some territories, and every one has their own unique laws and procedures. And they are using one set of standard procedures for everyone.Looking at this post a second time, there clearly would be a better way to handle the "sale", which would be to put the money that is to go toward the vehicle into an escrow account to be released when the vehicle and documents necessary for titling/registering are delivered to the buyer.
Then, it would seem,
1) buyer is not in possession illegally.
2) seller has not "sold" illegally.
3) state can't have issue with an unregistered, untitled vehicle being in state.
4) clock on titling/registering would not start ticking until vehicle was delivered.
Doesn't solve the problem of a huge delay in receiving what you have purchased, but with a disclaimer to people that they might be waiting a year or more for their purchase, at least they would know the risk prior to purchasing.
**Not an attorney, so none of this should be construed as legal advice. Just applying common sense.
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Doesn't change things.Just a thought that could be off base, on dates of sales. If you bought a HMMWV or any other EUC item, the sale isn't final until the EUC is approved. Once its approved that's when our sales are considered approved and final.
Hello, Phasty. Long time listener, first time caller. Love your thread. Just wondering what the numbers you post mean. Are the numbers next to the dates the total number of EUCs that were submitted that day? If so, why do they change from week to week? Is that because some get approved quicker, e.g., someone who already had an approval on file? Just curious. Now for the real question, if my EUC was submitted 8/15 I am likely looking at 2 to 3 weeks for an approval, correct?Well since I am apparently encouraging lawlessness and anarchy, going forward my posts will be limited to facts only. My personal opinion and advice is clearly not needed or wanted since there are enough lawyers and experts on the forum to provide sufficient avenues for everyone. With that said here are this week's EUC numbers:
7/11 and later: 11
7/18: 48
7/25: 88
8/1: 64
TSC approved 119 this week.
Matic- You are correct in your assumption. My EUC team submits EUCs in batches once a week. The date I reference is the date the "batch" is sent to TSC. TSC tends to work them in batch order, however there are 3 different "types" of EUC Buyer status'. Initial Buyer (First Timers), Subsequent (EUC approved within last 30 months), and Interim (EUC Approved over 30 months). Subsequent buyers are automatically approved, provided that NOTHING has changed on their EUC submission (Address, Company Name, Phone Number, End Use, etc), 7 days after being accepted by TSC. Normally by the time I post the dates those EUCs have already been subtracted from the batch number. Interim buyers typically get approved 2-3 weeks faster than Initial Buyers, so yes that is one of the reasons the numbers fluctuate. The other reason is that depending on which investigator is working, how many were in a batch, and how they distributed the files, one investigator may be working two or three different batches. That is why I put how many were approved in a week and then 2 or 3 weeks worth of batch numbers so that everyone can get a pretty good SWAG on when they can expect to see an approval. It is not perfect, but at least it provides a little clarity on how things are going versus the blackhole of information that was being given out.Hello, Phasty. Long time listener, first time caller. Love your thread. Just wondering what the numbers you post mean. Are the numbers next to the dates the total number of EUCs that were submitted that day? If so, why do they change from week to week? Is that because some get approved quicker, e.g., someone who already had an approval on file? Just curious. Now for the real question, if my EUC was submitted 8/15 I am likely looking at 2 to 3 weeks for an approval, correct?
Thanks for the updates.
Sorry you took my response to you in the other thread and viewed it like this.Well since I am apparently encouraging lawlessness and anarchy, going forward my posts will be limited to facts only. My personal opinion and advice is clearly not needed or wanted since there are enough lawyers and experts on the forum to provide sufficient avenues for everyone.
Wait a second, Does that mean you guys have them now?Thanks Mr. Hasty. I received notice of 5 SF97's on the way. Now all I need is the USMC to release my 1045A2 and all will be good. Thank you again for working with all of us on these matters. AM
I'm confused, too. Last I heard there was no end in sight to the backorder.Wait a second, Does that mean you guys have them now?
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