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Yep and even more so and they need to dump soft skin inventory due to overhead costs.Must be why these are showing up now, these are at the DRMO yard available to govt agencies only.
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Yep and even more so and they need to dump soft skin inventory due to overhead costs.Must be why these are showing up now, these are at the DRMO yard available to govt agencies only.
I posted the specs in a picture below and you can clearly see that weight for the M-1078 is less than you are stating.No, they sure dont. Ill take a picture of the data plate tomorrow when I get to work. A regular cab 4x4 curb weight is around 18000 pounds. The up armored trucks we have are around 23000 pounds.
Cool. If you take out the 1,000 lbs that the TM added (see footnote) for crew and fuel, you have the same weight that I listed.I hate the web.. so much mis information and people repeating it! My 1996 M1094 has a mechanical engine and IS NOT computer controled. It does have a TPS for the Allison World Trans, which is computer controled... I don't care to think how many times someone repeated something on the FMTVs that just wasn't true. If I had listened to the "experts", I would have never touched mine.
The trucks aren't perfect, but you need to have a mechanic that doesn't think he's smarter than the engineers.
The attached pdf's are from the TM
I remember in the '70s the same thing with EFI.I'm with you. I think that these trucks have unfairly gotten a bad wrap because of all the misinformation out there. That and people are set in their ways and don't like change.
SEAFIRE, if you are going to go in on one, take that S&S mechanic and have him do at least a 10/20 inspection of the truck. Also, realize that this type of cab-over will act differently than a E-One or other fire truck chassis cab over. They are odd beasts.Thanks for the info, one of our two mechanics used to be a field mechanic for Stewart and Stevenson for several years before he worked for the county, but I haven't seen him to get his opnion yet.
Yes, we have ridden in a lot of cab-overs.
I posted the specs in a picture below and you can clearly see that weight for the M-1078 is less than you are stating.
My original numbers were low because I converted the specs listed on another site and I failed to convert properly from metric tons (what the site had the weight listed in) to short tons. Hence, the reason why I was off by about 10%.
The second site I found, which is better than the one I linked above, is HERE,
Please do take that picture. Is the truck you are referring to a base model like the one pictured below (like the OP is referring to) or is it some variant that perhaps weighs more? Sure it's not an MTV?
I can't say anything on the Deuce ( and won't because I don't want to make any "mis-quotes"I'm curious as to what it is that makes these heavier than a deuce and a half (M35A2/A3). I mean, with less tires, one less axle, a shorter frame, and "cheap" construction, common sense would lead you to believe that it would weigh less but it actually weighs quite a bit more. Any thoughts?
I find the opposite to be true. I'm in a maintenance unit and my buddy is a full time mechanic and he said they are reliable trucks.All the wiring for the sensors!
I have a long time friend in the Guard here, and he says his units LMTV's and MTV's spend 85% of their time down for one reason or another, usually something simple (bad sensor, relay, wiring issue) yet takes awhile to diagnosis and correct. He said this has been true of brand new trucks as well. They have had several shipped from the factory, that wouldn't even start or stay running long enough to drive them off the trailer.
Your mileage may vary.
Thanks for the information and advice everyone,SEAFIRE, if you are going to go in on one, take that S&S mechanic and have him do at least a 10/20 inspection of the truck. Also, realize that this type of cab-over will act differently than a E-One or other fire truck chassis cab over. They are odd beasts.
going back over this thread and back to my point. If your trucks are still running fine and you really don't have any issues with them, what's the deal with this truck? is it a need as in you foresee your fleet needing significant overhaul in the next few years? Is there a requirement that the current fleet can't fulfill? is there a need to add on to your current fleet? or... Is this the newest and coolest and we want one? The LMTVs are capable trucks. you are going to need to watch your balance, or maybe add some type of counterweight, or only have certain guys drive it. Outfitting the truck will be an adventure that I can only request pictures!!! Also, replacement parts may be easier for your operation due to the official nature. (you guys still order through the gov system, right? - if not, see DSD and the other current MTV actions going on...)
In the end, it's up to you. If you need it, and it fulfills your need go ahead. If you want it, then it's up to your dept. If it's a luxury, what else could that money be spent on that needs to happen?
THIS is a misleading quote. There is no timeframe or WHICH LMTVs or MTVs he is referring to. New?? are we saying 2001,2008 or 2012? P1 or P2? ( new term to me, but saw a reference to P2 for the Oshkosh). The engine and trans are completely different. If a P2, Oshkosh could be going through the same teething problems as SS 15 years ago, and the engine is probably elecronically controlledAll the wiring for the sensors!
I have a long time friend in the Guard here, and he says his units LMTV's and MTV's spend 85% of their time down for one reason or another, usually something simple (bad sensor, relay, wiring issue) yet takes awhile to diagnosis and correct. He said this has been true of brand new trucks as well. They have had several shipped from the factory, that wouldn't even start or stay running long enough to drive them off the trailer.
Your mileage may vary.
This is for an A1 variant. I was listing the weight for the M-1078 because I believe that the OP was referring to a M-1078, not a M-1078A1. The A1 is heavier, mainly because of its beefier engine and driveline.
Same engine and trans. A1 has improvements requested by the government..This is for an A1 variant. I was listing the weight for the M-1078 because I believe that the OP was referring to a M-1078, not a M-1078A1. The A1 is heavier, mainly because of its beefier engine and driveline.
Guess we were both right since we weren't talking about the same thing.![]()
Same engine and trans. A1 has improvements requested by the government..
The dataplate on mine is M1094, but by factory records, its a M1094A1
The 2 additional letters don't add weight, but options like a PTO and winch do. Could have been ordered with troop seats and cover..? Options will change the base weight on a dataplate. No need to spit over a few lbs: