Lug Nuts Way Overtorqued (!)

[cessnapilot89]

Well, I need a new tire iron handle after the tire shop way over torqued my lugs. Took almost 2200 ft lbs to get the lugs loose. So if anyone has an m35a2 tire iron handle I could greatly use it

Attached is what is left of mine .

 

[98G]

What you want is a geared lug wrench. They break anything loose, and without the jerk as it lets go.

 

[ZiggyO]

Cessnapilot89, I have some new in box gear wrenches if you want. PM me

Z

 

[Guyfang]

Once you use the gear wrench, you will throw away your old bar and wrench. Believe me.

 

[G744]

I'll never understand why a shop will stall out a 1 inch impact wrench on every nut.

They never think how some poor guy will have to change a tire in the field.

That, and such extreme torque can waller out the hole taper badly or even split the rim where it is close to the center hole.

Torque spec for Budd nuts @ 300 ft/lbs is just fine and plenty tight.

All of you ought to get the right tools and learn the right procedures to service your own tires. It would be a small investment compared to what you have in the vehicle(s), and you won't have to scrabble around trying to find a shop that will even do them.

On a side note, when I take our Benz cars in for tire work, I have them use the factory hand wrench only, no air wrench allowed. The handle on it is but 9" long...

 

[cessnapilot89]

What tools do I need to service my own tires and replace tubes?

 

[NDT]

That bar is a Ken-tool TR11, not too expensive. Air tool you need an Ingersoll Rand 285B6 extended anvil 1" impact. A Ken-tool 30150 combo Budd socket to go with it. Tire tools you need a Ken-tool T23 lock ring tool and a T11E duck bill hammer. With this setup you can remove and mount/dismount tires in 10 minutes. As long as the rim isn't rusted. Then might be a little longer.

 

[cessnapilot89]

That bar is a Ken-tool TR11, not too expensive. Air tool you need an Ingersoll Rand 285B6 extended anvil 1" impact. A Ken-tool 30150 combo Budd socket to go with it. Tire tools you need a Ken-tool T23 lock ring tool and a T11E duck bill hammer. With this setup you can remove and mount/dismount tires in 10 minutes. As long as the rim isn't rusted. Then might be a little longer.

Is splitting the ring off the rim as dangerous as people claim?

 

[Mullaney]

Is splitting the ring off the rim as dangerous as people claim?

.
Not at all. On the assumption that all the air is drained out of the tire.

Where the real danger is - is not getting the ring back in place firmly and securely. The way to inflate the tire safely is to roll it into a "cage", then using a clip on air chuck, inflate the tire. Should the ring fly off, it will be captured inside the cage. Whatever you do, don't extend your head or arms over the tire. That's why you use a clip on air chuck to inflate the tire after you replace a tube or tire...

 

[cessnapilot89]

Thank you! Tire shop refused any acknowledgement about what happened or to even re torque the lugs properly.

 

[NDT]

To me, if you have even the slightest bit of mechanical aptitude, it will be completely obvious if the ring is not seated prior to inflation. Remember the truck tire repair career path does not always attract the sharpest tools in the shed.

 

[Guyfang]

When I had a soldier who needed an attitude adjustment, guess what job was up at the top of the list to do after duty hours. And without all the nice to have tools.

 

[G744]

Military LTS wheels are the safest lockring wheels made. The part of the ring that goes down into the tire keeps it from coming off as soon as the tire has maybe 10PSI in it.

Over 50 years changing these wheels, never even had a close call.

 

[Guyfang]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh! But you are careful and know what your doing. This can not always be said.

 

[ODAddict]

As for me, the solution is to dismount the wheel(s) and take to the tire shop. They do the hard work of changing out the tire, split rim or not. Then I can mount properly and at the correct torque.

 

[cessnapilot89]

You guys are the best!

 

[98G]

Is splitting the ring off the rim as dangerous as people claim?

Lock ring rims aren't the same as the old widowmaker split rims.

 

[G744]

I won't do civvy big truck wheels with radials or lockrings..

One is a bitch, the other is just too sketchy.

 

[98G]

You guys are the best!

Vicious rumor. No basis in fact...

 

[G744]

Why tire shops will stall out an 1,200 ft/lb air wrench on every nut always pisses me off.

That much torque will dish out the rim holes, too. Untrained kids is what I've seen.

All you need on a Budd nut is 300, so a poor mook can take off a flat on the road with hand tools.