M35A2 Suddenly not starting

[DeucesWild11]

Hey guys! So I searched through a few threads and didn't find one similar to mine. So here's the story, the other day I went to start up my deuce and it was turning over great but was taking a little while so I stopped as sometimes I do and then push the button again and she usually starts right up. This time the air buzzer made a different sound when I pushed the button and some smoke came out from under the dash. I went under the truck and cleaned up the ground wire #10 to the starter and the frame, so I got a good ground there now. Without taking EVERYTHING apart and cleaning it, any tips as to what I can look for? Sounds to me like a short somewhere. I took a video and posted it on my FB account so you can see what I am talking about: https://www.facebook.com/bf.schwarz...f_t=video_processed&notif_id=1559759728706519


Let me know what you think. Thanks a lot in advance for your help!

 

[FloridaAKM]

There are quite a few threads lately with HH non start issues & other fuel related problems. Rather than retype all of it, do a little more searching & you should find what you are looking for. Now after letting out the magic smoke, you may have other problems that have not been discussed.

 

[frank8003]

Yeah
Change all the crankcase filters and all the fuel filters, refurbish every ground connection in Her and try again.

 

[cattlerepairman]

http://www.jatonkam35s.com/DeuceTechnicalManuals/TM9-2320-361-20.pdf
Go to the bottom of page 2-79
Follow the steps for troubleshooting.

Let us know what you find!

 

[DeucesWild11]

http://www.jatonkam35s.com/DeuceTechnicalManuals/TM9-2320-361-20.pdf
Go to the bottom of page 2-79
Follow the steps for troubleshooting.

Let us know what you find!

Thanks for the TM, just what I needed. Update, now the starter switch/button does not seem to work. Looks like wires were "monkey'd around with" at some point before I purchased it. I'll trace everything wire by wire to see what's up. I'll update when I find something.

 

[Flyingvan911]

Check your battery terminal to post connections also. I had one melt on the inside. Looked fine on the outside but the truck didn’t even try to crank. Do your lights come on?

 

[Slate]

Check your battery terminal to post connections also. I had one melt on the inside. Looked fine on the outside but the truck didn’t even try to crank. Do your lights come on?

This happened to me a few times. Gremlins suck.


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[jasonjc]

With the sound change on the buzzer and the volt meter droping to the red when the start button is push and the smoke. I'd look for a short in the wires from start switch to the starter relay.

 

[DeucesWild11]

Check your battery terminal to post connections also. I had one melt on the inside. Looked fine on the outside but the truck didn’t even try to crank. Do your lights come on?

Yeah lights come on fine, very bright actually, just had the batteries charged up recently so the first time I tried to start it the starter was turning over nicely. Then just stopped and now the starter switch is shot as it's now doing nothing. When I try and jump the switch I get a lot of sparks.. like welding and no nothing.. so it's got to be a short somewhere I think.

 

[DeucesWild11]

With the sound change on the buzzer and the volt meter droping to the red when the start button is push and the smoke. I'd look for a short in the wires from start switch to the starter relay.

Thanks, that was my next plan of action. Appreciate all the feedback guys!

 

[Bill in pa]

Just had mine do the same thing.
Turned over but sounded odd.
Had batteries checked.
One had 600 CCA of the 950 was rated for.
The other was "9" yes '9"cca of the 950.
Bought 2 new batteries.
Word of difference.
With a digital volt meter on a start up dropped to 4 volts

 

[Barrman]

The starter button gets its power from the on/off switch. As does the buzzer and gauges. Once you confirm the batteries are good. You might want to look at the switch since you said the wires were messed with in the past.

I prefer to pull the 3 lever switch out and then work on the on/off switch in the hole where the 3 lever was. Less time on my back in the small cab.

 

[Jeepsinker]

Pull the cluster out. The wires coming off the back of the start switch lay tightly against the dash to firewall support plate and they rub through right there. 5 minute fix.

 

[DeucesWild11]

Pull the cluster out. The wires coming off the back of the start switch lay tightly against the dash to firewall support plate and they rub through right there. 5 minute fix.

Thanks! I'll look for that when I have some time, been crazy busy last few days so prob won't be till later this weekend. My feeling is that it's something like that. I'll post up when I find something.

 

[Barrman]

Don’t forget to pull the speedometer and tachometer cable ends off before you try pulling the cluster. It won’t move far with them still attached no matter how hard you pull.

 

[DeucesWild11]

Ok so I didn't pull out the dash because the wires from the start button were all taped together with a bunch of others going out the firewall. So my next thought was maybe something wore down near the starter. I took off the air filter and started poking around.. BINGO!! See pics, wire was rubbing up against the copper line for the air horns. I fixed it with a waterproof heat shrink connection. I jumped the starter button with a screwdriver and she went to turn over.. Now just waiting for the starter button to come in at Grainger and i'll be all set!. Thanks again for all your help guys you're awesome!

 

[tennmogger]

Maybe the starter is stuck in the "engaged" position?