M916 conversion to 2500 Gallon Tanker/Pumper for a volunteer fire department

[Chief478]

My small rural Georgia VFD just got a M16 (1993 yr) to convert to a tanker/pumper. We don't need the PTO, because the Pump is driven by a separate small diesel engine . We are removing the 5th wheel and winch components. So, I was thinking of just capping off all the lines at the PTO pump. Any thoughts on the winch removal?
Also, the truck hasn't been ran in about 5 years. We're changing all the fluids and flushing the fuel system, before trying to start it. Any thoughts on initial start up after its been setting that long?
Thanks, Butch

 

[Mullaney]

My small rural Georgia VFD just got a M16 (1993 yr) to convert to a tanker/pumper. We don't need the PTO, because the Pump is driven by a separate small diesel engine . We are removing the 5th wheel and winch components. So, I was thinking of just capping off all the lines at the PTO pump. Any thoughts on the winch removal?
Also, the truck hasn't been ran in about 5 years. We're changing all the fluids and flushing the fuel system, before trying to start it. Any thoughts on initial start up after its been setting that long?
Thanks, Butch

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I am guessing that you need that extra two feet of space for the new tank? Where the winch is now... And you don't have a possible need to pull something with a winch?

One thing you need to consider is that "capping off the winch hydraulics" could stop the motor dead. Especially if somebody engages the winch PTO and it "dead heads" . With the pump blocked off, you won't get it to crank again until that pressure is relieved. A better idea if you really don't want to remove everything would be to loop the hoses "in to out". The pump and pto won't last long running in that configuration either... And the pump will be screaming

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[simp5782]

My small rural Georgia VFD just got a M16 (1993 yr) to convert to a tanker/pumper. We don't need the PTO, because the Pump is driven by a separate small diesel engine . We are removing the 5th wheel and winch components. So, I was thinking of just capping off all the lines at the PTO pump. Any thoughts on the winch removal?
Also, the truck hasn't been ran in about 5 years. We're changing all the fluids and flushing the fuel system, before trying to start it. Any thoughts on initial start up after its been setting that long?
Thanks, Butch

Takes 20mins to pull the winch off.

You will need a 3/4" socket and wrench for the pto pump. Remove the pump at the PTO and leave the pto on the truck.


The hydraulic system generally doesn't have a drain on them so pull it as a complete unit with the pump still hooked to the lines

 

[GopherHill]

You might want to rethink winch removal. You will eventually stick the tanker and it will be really hard to extract. Been there, didn't get a tee shirt. I've been a VFD member for 30 plus years.

 

[simp5782]

You might want to rethink winch removal. You will eventually stick the tanker and it will be really hard to extract. Been there, didn't get a tee shirt. I've been a VFD member for 30 plus years.

How are you going to use the winch if it's in front of the tank?

It's better to use them to pull a 5000 gallon tanker

 

[GopherHill]

You might want to rethink winch removal. You will eventually stick the tanker and it will be really hard to extract. Been there, didn't get a tee shirt. I've been a VFD member for 30 plus years.

Never mind, I didn't realize it is a rear winch.

 

[155mm]

It's better to use them to pull a 5000 gallon tanker

I have to 2nd what Simp has suggested.

 

[Chief478]

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I am guessing that you need that extra two feet of space for the new tank? Where the winch is now... And you don't have a possible need to pull something with a winch?

One thing you need to consider is that "capping off the winch hydraulics" could stop the motor dead. Especially if somebody engages the winch PTO and it "dead heads" . With the pump blocked off, you won't get it to crank again until that pressure is relieved. A better idea if you really don't want to remove everything would be to loop the hoses "in to out". The pump and pto won't last long running in that configuration either... And the pump will be screaming

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Thanks for the info. This is a new project for us.

 

[Chief478]

Takes 20mins to pull the winch off.

You will need a 3/4" socket and wrench for the pto pump. Remove the pump at the PTO and leave the pto on the truck.


The hydraulic system generally doesn't have a drain on them so pull it as a complete unit with the pump still hooked to the lines

Thanks for the info, I'll check out the You tube.

 

[Chief478]

You might want to rethink winch removal. You will eventually stick the tanker and it will be really hard to extract. Been there, didn't get a tee shirt. I've been a VFD member for 30 plus years.

Yep, rear mount.

 

[Chief478]

I have to 2nd what Simp has suggested.
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Thanks, its a Forestry service conversion. 2500 gal tank / 1000GPM pump. I'll post a pic when it's done. Thanks.

 

[simp5782]

Yep, rear mount.

You can always reroute the hydraulics. Make you a front sprayer bumper incorporate a hydraulic winch into it so you had a recovery option