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M923A2 CTIS Problem

MtnSnow

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The pressure switch is the one on the PCU correct?
The one on the PCU is the one that tells the ECU when the desired pressures are reached. There is also a pressure switch that allows the CTIS system to actually function once there is at least 90 psi in the wet air tank.
 
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The kicker is there is no pattern per sey.
Different each time.
The pressure switch is the one on the PCU correct?
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I will look in the TM
Pressure switch is mounted in the wet tank should be a circular connector with 2 or 3 sockets but only 2 are used. Try not to let the switch body twist when removing the connector it will destroy the switch.
If the system is inflating or deflating after a button push and you turn the ignition off and back on the ECU will reset back to the last achieved setting (where the light was solid last). This could account for the changing modes.
 

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ECU wasn't the problem.
New one did exact same thing.

No leaks still.
Guess I will start replacing all valves and pressure switches.
Anyone have the pressure switches let me know. New only, no used.
Wheel Valves I can easily find.
 

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I just fixed my five flashing lights problem with no inflation on flat tire. Usually you can hit runflat mode and it will inflate completely flat tires. My wrecker quit even doing that. I have an extra PSU laying around I know was bad. So I took off the bottom housing used wire strippers to peel back a small sectionof the wire covering from the solenoids to connector wires and tested them for continuity. The Charge solenoid was bad so I cut both wires mid way after marking the top wire differently from the bottom wire(I don't think it matters, but just in case I wanted to have the orientation of the wires the same for a new solenoid. Took the old solenoid out spliced in the new solenoid in the same orientation, installed, put the connector and housing back on.( I took the connector out of the housing much easier to mess with). Installed in my wrecker, starts inflating the flat tire in flat mode. For some reason I'm getting 4 flashing lights when run flat is done or I try to use highway mode, but I'm glad I got the inflation to work again. Now to check the PSU I just pulled out of the wrecker. I'm gonna bet the charge solenoid is bad also. Sure enough the charge solenoid on the one I just pulled out is bad, another easy fix.
 
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I just fixed my five flashing lights problem with no inflation on flat tire. Usually you can hit runflat mode and it will inflate completely flat tires. My wrecker quit even doing that. I have an extra PSU laying around I know was bad. So I took off the bottom housing used wire strippers to peel back a small sectionof the wire covering from the solenoids to connector wires and tested them for continuity. The Charge solenoid was bad so I cut both wires mid way after marking the top wire differently from the bottom wire(I don't think it matters, but just in case I wanted to have the orientation of the wires the same for a new solenoid. Took the old solenoid out spliced in the new solenoid in the same orientation, installed, put the connector and housing back on.( I took the connector out of the housing much easier to mess with). Installed in my wrecker, starts inflating the flat tire in flat mode. For some reason I'm getting 4 flashing lights when run flat is done or I try to use highway mode, but I'm glad I got the inflation to work again. Now to check the PSU I just pulled out of the wrecker. I'm gonna bet the charge solenoid is bad also. Sure enough the charge solenoid on the one I just pulled out is bad, another easy fix.
When the ignition is turned on and a fault occurs in just a few seconds, indicates the system had an electrical fault, PCU sensor or solenoid issue. When the system is normal until it check the pressures it indicates it did not like the result of the tire pressure check. If there are no air leaks and there is a flat tire you can push "run flat" to override the fault. If the system reaches any selected target pressure and the tires are still imbalanced it will log a 4 light fault. The system will read the tires as an average so for it to read imbalanced tires at a target same tires must be high and one or more are low. The best thing to do to check out any fix is to start with balanced tires.
 

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ECU Wasn't the problem
Guess I will start replacing all valves and pressure switches.
Anyone have the pressure switches let me know. New only, no used.
Wheel Valves I can easily find.
To determine if the wheel valves are good.... manually inflate all the tires to >5psi above the Highway target. Disconnect the pressure switch. Start the truck and let the supply build up to 125psi. Plug in the pressure switch. If the system checks the tire pressure, goes to a solid light, and does not dump any air, the wheel valves are fine and the PCU is also working. Shut off the truck and dump the supply air down to 10psi below the tire pressures, start the truck, if the system check the pressures and starts dumping air the switch is probably stuck closed.
 
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To determine if the wheel valves are good.... manually inflate all the tires to >5psi above the Highway target. Disconnect the pressure switch. Start the truck and let the supply build up to 125psi. Plug in the pressure switch. If the system checks the tire pressure, goes to a solid light, and does not dump any air, the wheel valves are fine and the PCU is also working. Shut off the truck and dump the supply air down to 10psi below the tire pressures, start the truck, if the system check the pressures and starts dumping air the switch is probably stuck closed.

The pressure switch on the PCU?
 

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The pressure switch on the PCU?
The PCU has the Pressure Transducer its function is to measure the atmospheric pressure at start up and will fault out the system if it is out of range or unplugged, second it measures the average tire pressures during a pressure check, third it measures the deflation pressure (relief valve) during a deflation and will log a fault if that pressure is out of range.

Located on the Wet Tank
The "Pressure Switch" only opens and closes. Closes around 115psi and opens around 85psi. It opens at 85psi to stop the CTIS from using too much air from the air brakes (safety) When it is open for >30 seconds the system will vent and close the wheel valves. If it never closes the system will never start to function. If it is shorted closed, the system will start using the supply air no matter what it is, if the supply air is lower than the tires, the tires will start dumping air just like a deflation. They tires will stop dumping air when the supply pressure rises up and matches the tire pressure. When the supply pressure becomes higher than the tires, the tires will start to inflate.
 
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It looks like there is some professional advice being given out here, so I'll take this opportunity to ask about my CTIS.

One of my tires leaks down while the CTIS is active. If the vehicle is not running and I fill it up, it will hold air, but once the CTIS starts
the pressure starts dropping. If I shut the system down the tire continue to deflate until flat. I checked the hub seal by putting it in emergency mode and
removing the drain plug to see it air escapes. I soaped most of the external system and found no leaks. I cleaned the wheel valve diaphragm.. Any suggestions?
This is for a 1999 m1081
 

Stellaevil

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It looks like there is some professional advice being given out here, so I'll take this opportunity to ask about my CTIS.

One of my tires leaks down while the CTIS is active. If the vehicle is not running and I fill it up, it will hold air, but once the CTIS starts
the pressure starts dropping. If I shut the system down the tire continue to deflate until flat. I checked the hub seal by putting it in emergency mode and
removing the drain plug to see it air escapes. I soaped most of the external system and found no leaks. I cleaned the wheel valve diaphragm.. Any suggestions?
This is for a 1999 m1081
If the valve looks good and will hold high tire air...
While inflating, check for a large leak in the lines from the hub to the QRV, check the axle vent for bad air seals. (more likely) If there is no air leak and the valve is losing air only after the system is shut off, then there is a severe restriction in the hub or air lines. When the CTIS is shut off and the tire is dropping, remove the control hose or tube between valve and hub, if the dumping stops, the valve is good and there is a restriction. You can do the same thing at the back of the hub to determine if the hub is the problem or the hoses. A bad QRV would effect both tires on that axle.
 
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OK for my problem of all tires deflating as soon as the pressure switch closes and it does around 120 PSI on the cab gauge. I put shop air air on the truck, no leaks noted or heard after two rounds of spraying soapy water on all joints I could find. Tried 2 more ECUs and it did the same thing. Powered up it flashes on any one of the regular mode selections. Pressure switch closes and you can hear PCU click a few times and then start dumping all 6 tires. Man can that system dump air quickly. Mode that is selected continues to flash. Just the one light. All six tires hold pressure perfectly with the ECU unplugged. Might be time to disassemble the PCU to see if there is blockage in any of the lines or visible ports.
 

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OK for my problem of all tires deflating as soon as the pressure switch closes and it does around 120 PSI on the cab gauge. I put shop air air on the truck, no leaks noted or heard after two rounds of spraying soapy water on all joints I could find. Tried 2 more ECUs and it did the same thing. Powered up it flashes on any one of the regular mode selections. Pressure switch closes and you can hear PCU click a few times and then start dumping all 6 tires. Man can that system dump air quickly. Mode that is selected continues to flash. Just the one light. All six tires hold pressure perfectly with the ECU unplugged. Might be time to disassemble the PCU to see if there is blockage in any of the lines or visible ports.
If the system is in a hold until the pressure builds up to > 115, that is a good start. When the switch closes and the pressure check is complete, if the pressure had read correctly the light should go solid. Because it is still flashing while the tires are dumping it must be trying to inflate them so two things are going on.... It read the pressures lower than the tires and the control line between the PCU and the 3 QRVs has dropped below the tire pressure. If air is coming out the PCU cover vent during the leak down the problem is in the PCU, maybe a stuck cartridge. With a metal screwdriver make sure the deflate solenoid is not energized during the attempted inflation. You either have a large line leak between the PCU and the QRVs or a stuck PCU cartridge that you can try to clean, not too complicated no real tiny parts.
 
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Sounds like a bad hub seal or small air leak somewhere thats not enough to trip a fault but dilutes the fill pressure by the time it makes it to the wheel valves.
 

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No tires loose pressure with the plug off the ECU. If it was bad hub seal wouldn't that tire leak down? Going to pull the PCU, dismantle it and clean it up and see what happens.
 

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Mechanical system. Low pressure holds open wheel valves to dump. Fill pressure diluted via leak and the wheel valves see low pressure and are tricked into dumping. Very common.
 

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Mechanical system. Low pressure holds open wheel valves to dump. Fill pressure diluted via leak and the wheel valves see low pressure and are tricked into dumping. Very common.
When the system checks the tire pressure it puts a short pulse of air into the air lines. The wheel valves will open at 6.0 psi and the tire pressure will begin to fill the lower air lines up to the QRVs. The upper air line from the PCU the top of the QRVs is filled by the PCU and acts differently. The lower lines will be fed air from the tires and will loos air slowly if there is a small seal leak, but the upper air line can drop pressure quickly if the system has not started the inflation. As soon as the upper line air pressure drops below the tire pressure, the QRVs will start dumping the tires. This is exactly how the system is designed to deflate, it opens the valves and drops the upper line pressure down to 12 psi and out comes the air. So if there is a decent size leak in the upper line it will dump air just like a deflation. If the pressure switch closes too early, lower than the tire pressure, the tires will dump.
 
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