M925 wheels

[maxtor]

This is my first post and new to Military vehicles.
I have seen M925 trucks with ten wheels and six wheels. What is preferred? Will the ten wheel truck hold more weight?

 

[dk8019]

Same weight loading, just different variants, A0, A1, and A2. Super singles on some, duals on the rears on others. Just a matter of preference in most cases.

 

[Gunzy]

I find duals feel more stable, and a flat on a dual may not require immediate attention, singles weigh about 500 lbs each and the 11.00x20s about half that. But it really falls to personal preference. I have 11.00x20s but admit the 14.00x20s look cooler.

 

[maxtor]

Thanks for the responses. I found that the M925 that I am looking at is just a plain 925 with 5 spd. auto trans.
From reading this forum I read that the M925A2 is more desirable, so I will pass on this one and wait for a M925A2.

 

[juanprado]

One big difference is the smaller tires are rated for 65 mph ( truck can only do 60 on the 11's)but the super single tires are only 55 though the truck can do 65 on singles.

Many have reported a better ride with the duals.

 

[M1075]

Singles will perform better in most off-road conditions. There is a reason you can't find duals on any current military use vehicle except for road tractors.

 

[Csm Davis]

Same weight loading, just different variants, A0, A1, and A2. Super singles on some, duals on the rears on others. Just a matter of preference in most cases.

Almost right A0 all came with duals, A1 all had singles, A2 had singles, ctis, and smaller turbo motor, and the A2P had all of that ac, air ride seats and Armor! Good luck finding one of those. Now all that said I am not saying you won't find the exception to that list but they're not common for them to be wrong in service but lots of civilians have changed them including me.

 

[maxtor]

What are the positives and negatives of owning a A0 vs an A2?

 

[HASSON1911]

Not to much I know about A0 except major differences but I can share about A2's

A0
Great engine, very popular and proven
Same Tranny in A0 A1 A2

A2
Smaller marine engine(with searches 9/10 will be in reference to boating) but its turbo.
CTIS, you WILL eventually disable it, not hard but it'll happen, in the process of disabling mine.

Search: M923 vs. M923a2 resulted

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/showthread.php?96485-Pros-and-Cons-of-a-m923-to-a-m923A2

 

[Gunzy]

The A0 and A1 NHC250 feels to me to have more bottom end grunt, but the 8.3 turbo is suppose to get better mileage. I test drove a M923A2 and then a M923A0 and my preference was for the A0 with the NHC250(855ci cummins) If you can I would recommend test driving the two different engines and then make a decision. You don't want to pass on one for another then regret your choice.

 

[maxtor]

Thanks,,, I was worried that the 925 did not have the Allison transmission. I read that the 925A2 did have the Allison.

 

[Rifleman]

I own a M925 with the duels in the rear, i bought mine for one reason, it was in GREAT CONDITION! Remember these are BIG trucks and you want to try to find one in the best shape you can. So remember buy the best truck you can, with all the options on it you want, because adding extra options like super singles after you buy it will cost you a ton of money!

 

[goldneagle]

The only hard part of changing the 11.00-20 to 14.00-20 is the spare storage has to be modified. The 14.00 tire will not fir the 11.00 storage rack. The 14.00 front and back pieces are wider. You also have to drive slower since the tires are only rated at 55MPH. I do not recommend driving 14.00 tires at speeds over 55 MPH. I think the only tires I found in Super singles rated 65 MPH are the Goodyear 395-85R20 tires.

 

[98G]

Some things to think about: Cali requires class B license for the 939 series. There's lots of good trucks available in SoCal. Actual performance differences between A0 A1 and A2 under any conditions you'll likely find while playing with it will be minimal. Choose what appeals to you. CTIS looks like a very good idea in theory, but in reality tends to be problematic.

As mentioned above, making changes after purchase is much more expensive than finding the truck in the config you want.

Mileage: expect 6ish, with the turbodiesel doing a bit better. That being said, I recently drove one from Houston to Tulsa and got 13mpg. I'm shocked speechless. The only other explanation of the mileage is someone sneaked diesel into the tank when I stopped for the night, because I refilled it until the strainer was showing fuel before I left Houston and exactly the same on refill.

Screen the truck if at all possible. If not, make sure you go over the video and pics with an eye for detail, and realize you're rolling the dice. I bought a truck described as 'starts with a jump' and figured I'd immediately have to spend $800ish in batteries, only to get there to pick it up and find that it started easily no jump required and had 4 batteries dated 11/2012. It could just as easily been the opposite: the truck described as 'runs and operates' may surprise you with a rod knocking...

The following items generally increase price by the following amounts, these being just my observations: winch $1500-2000, A2 $1500, A1 $1000, A1 with the PTO console but no winch $1500, canvas and bows $600, hard top $400, dumptrucks bring double, and location makes a big difference in prices. Fortunately for you, from what I've seen southern Cali is full of high quality rust free trucks for lower prices than found elsewhere.

 

[maxtor]

Great information and advise.

Thanks... I hope that I will be an owner soon.

 

[emr]

goldneagle gives the best advise ever ! As for singles are proven to go further in most off road conditions than duels , That is true but there are always exceptions. As for duels being more stable that is not an opinion it is fact, The Mil new desert warfare was the future, single wider tires fare better in sand and rocks, single narrow tires fare batter in mud. Duels are much more stable loaded , The singles fully loaded can not withstand the side wall pressure aired very low as well as the narrower duel set up, causing catastrophic side wall failure, They are awesome but there are limitations, We or almost all of us will never get our trucks anywhere near that point. just a basic fyi, do a search there is a ton of posts about such things, read others thoughts and opinions . some are opinion some are fact.you make the call... Go for the best truck, one really is not better than the other for most people. Another fact, many of the Aos as its called here had NDCC's and were changed over to the G177s, there are in country units that changed A1s and even some A2s to them that did a lot of highway hauling, Highway driving under loads for a few reasons are much better than duels, More Stable, and the singles just plain wear out way to fast, and are also more dangerous in a panic stop by far than any duel set up. Know your truck read TMs and practice hitting the brakes hard in a large lot before you need to do it on the road.

 

[Trailboss]

I have both, and I prefer the G177s over the singles for the fact that I can change a flat by myself (I'm 62). Here in south LA, there is more chance of mud than desert sand or rocks if I decide to go offroad. With the dual setup, you have 5 spares rather than 1 spare so two flats won't stop you, and the cost of a replacement tire is vastly different. However, working on the 11x20/G177 tires is more dangerous due to the split ring design, so you really need to know what you're doing.

 

[goldneagle]

I have both, and I prefer the G177s over the singles for the fact that I can change a flat by myself (I'm 62). Here in south LA, there is more chance of mud than desert sand or rocks if I decide to go offroad. With the dual setup, you have 5 spares rather than 1 spare so two flats won't stop you, and the cost of a replacement tire is vastly different. However, working on the 11x20/G177 tires is more dangerous due to the split ring design, so you really need to know what you're doing.

Personally repairing a tire is not a factor I take into account when choosing a tire. In all the years I have driven vehicles I never repaired my own tires. I have changed flat tires, but I let the professionals due the repair replace part. As we get older I think more of us will pass that job to the tire specialists. Even professional truckers call in a road service for a flat.

I know some members here do their own repairs. I wonder what percentage of members that encompasses?

I do agree with the rest of the comment made. (so don't think i am against what you stated)