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MEP 017A Hooking up 55 gal drum for extended run question

Humpy

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I have a buddy who can get me 55 gal drums (Steel, unless a plastic one would be better????) and I have a nice drum dolly with heavy wide swivel wheels. Just wondering if anyone has done this and how you went out about hooking it up?

I am thinking get a ball valve for the small hole and an extended piece of 1/4" fuel line for the project unless there is need to use the large hole?

My MEP is mounted on a converted garden tractor chassis so I can move it fairly easy (would be easier with garden tractor haha) thusly it is about two feet off the ground.

Would greatly appreciate suggestions on how others have done this. Thanks

Another question can the oil level be checked reliably with engine running? I have a tractor that has markings on both sides of dip stick, running and off.
 

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MEP-002's and 003's are designed to be hooked up to an aux fuel supply, run for 100 hours and then shut down for an oil change and other maintenance. Check the TM for your unit to see what options are available.
 

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With the short shelf life of oxygenated (alcohol added) gasoline these days I would not even consider storing it in a 55 gallon drum, not to mention the safety and legal issues (diesel is one thing gasoline is something else entirely). If you really need that kind of run time out of a gasoline powered MEP-017, I would look into natural gas or propane conversion. Propane is harder to handle than gasoline, but it lasts forever.

Ike
 

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A couple things that come to mind are: As mentioned before, gasoline shelf life is not the greatest, but if you really want the capacity in the event of an outage... You don't need anything bigger than 1/4" fuel line and shut off. You'll need to vent the drum when in use. When not in use, if the drum is sealed tight, differences in outdoor temperatures will cause the gas and vapor in the drum to expand and contract and every morning and every night you'll hear the drum make a banging noise as the ends of the drum pop in and out from pressure changes. if you leave it vented, long term storage will result in some water in the drum due to the alcohol in the gas absorbing moisture from the air. If you store the drum upright, keep it out of the rain or covered because the lip of most drums is usually higher than the bungs so water will build up and leak in around the threads if not sealed completely. On the oil question, not sure on a 017A but I've never seen an engine where you check the oil while running.
 

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Be carful on using a 55 gallon drum . I have a friend years ago that used a drum for diesel one day his tractor just quit turned out the drum had a clear thin film of something as a liner the fuel made it soft it went through the filters and sized up the injector pump. Knowing what was in the drum is important . Good luck with your project .
 

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I read over the entire index of TM902005-258-14 and only thing fuel line related was par 4-48 and that was a line from the pump to the carb.

No the plan is not to store the fuel in the 55 drum. I have about 50 gals in 5 gal cans now for tractor etc as I live 20 miles out of town. I rotate it out and where we buy groceries every 100 bucks we spend we can buy up to 35 gal of gas at 10 cents off per gal so I empty cans in vehicles and go get 35 gal in Durango and in cans on the back. In my SHTF cans I only have non ethonol now that I have found out how bad it really is. Last year the ice storm was announced in advance and I went to town and filled a couple 5 gals that were empty and came back and hunkered down after getting the Honda out making sure it was good to go.

I am figuring now should another come in I will put the drum on the dolly on it's side, fill it with the stock I have on hand and go to town and refill everything thusly I will have about 100 gal laid in. For the last ten plus years I have had fuel in cans and have stored ethenol with stabilizer in it up to three years and it was still good to go. There is some Briggs stuff out now stating 1 oz per gal will keep it ready for at least 3 years.

It is stored in an out building where it is protected from sun, extreme temp changes and has done well there and cans are tagged and dated as to fill ups. Upon opening door I have never smelled gas.

The drum I have I got from Texaco when I used to buy URSA in drums so all it has is some URSA 30HD residue in it. Those were the days, 55 gal for 57.00 ! ! ! !!
 

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If that storm does not reach you, or you don't lose power, you then have 55 gallons of gasoline to manage and move about. 55 gallons of gasoline in one container stored close to a house (I assume) would make me a bit nervous. If it were me I would increase my fuel quantity and work a rotation method year round by using Jerry Cans and one of these:

http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com...ty-feed-adapter-kit-for-gas-can-or-drums.html

There is also a special stand that holds Jerry cans inverted when using the above adaptor.

That way you can easily use your stockpile of gasoline for other needs since transporting a Jerry can is way easier and safer than dealing with a 55 gallon drum full of highly flammable fuel.
 

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I just tried to buy the adaptor and I can't get it to open the cart to pay for it.

I appreciate everyone's concern for my safety however I have a appreciation for flammable material as I am a nationally Certified Firefighter with 20 years this month on a Class 4 volunteer department. When we retired and moved here I checked into fire service. My great uncle was fire chief in Spartanburg, SC where I grew up and I went to station with him many times and hung around all day. I joined up so I could go get the pumper myself. In this role I have made entry into a gas tanker fire with the nozzle while avoiding rivulets of molten aluminum coming down the road towards us and have extinguished the body of the driver that came through the front of the truck. It was a head on between 18 wheelers. As well I have manned a nozzle with thousands of rounds of ammo going off about thirty feet in front of me and fought fuel fires where I got first degree burns through my turnout gear and have had my helmet blistered and face shield melted.

While we have a healthy respect for gas what scares us the most is propane cylinders, bottles and tanks. People have had them installed literally right up next to exterior walls of dwellings! We have had propane cylinders let go and they become missles that came right by us. Everyone stores propane cylinders indoors. Copper lines carrying propane are routinely run indoors. The first in unit makes a 360 looking for down power lines and propane tanks. If there is a propane tank a line will be laid and manned to put water on the tank continiously as we don't want it going.

Then we have "Lightning", one you see in storms and the other is about 5'8" and 165 lbs and he uses all kinds of interesting materials. It is interesting when you are crawling into a structure and run up on bright blue flames coming from the floor. And finally you have modern construction methods on residential structures with truss roofs and these are extremely dangerous for us as they burn quickly and collapse quickly and are constructed daily.

Next thing that we are terrified of is 20 lb propane cylinders that have had the valves turn blue. They are true bombs in the worst way and are very unstable and found in meth labs. These are extremely unstable. If you ever come up on a propane tank and the valve has turned blue don't even think about touching it. If we know it is a meth lab that brings a new set of rules into the game.

Also we have seen car fires that start in enclosed garages from shorted electrical systems in the vehicles. I have never seen a gas tank in a vehicle explode though on TV they explode every time. I designed our parking so vehicles are 30 to 50 feet away from the house as I have seen vehicles light off not only driving down the road but sitting in yards.

Another deadly thing is plugged in toasters. How many of you have your toasters plugged in? Unplug them. I have been to three structure fires where toasters were traced to the source and they lit off and had not been used in days or weeks. Brother in law came home from work, opened the kitchen door to find flames going to ceiling. They had not used their toaster in over a week. So unplug your toasters. We also unplug coffee makers.


I have been in attics of houses in the middle of the night wherein the junction boxes are arcing because the jerk electrician did not pre wind the wire before installing a wire nut. When our old house was refurbed eight years ago there are only two places where wire nuts are used. They were pre wound, wire nut installed and taped + and - are folded back opposite direction and taped and are suspended in air away from anything that will burn.

Went to one house where sun light coming through window one morning was shining on a trash can in kitchen and ignited something in can. Folks that lived there did not smoke and nothing hot had been placed in trash. One winter morning we had sun light coming through window and I heard a small explosion. A empty heavy water glass on kitchen counter had exploded when the sun rays warmed it up.

Insofar as getting rid of 55 gallons of gas because the storm passed us by is a piece of cake as we purchase 55 gallons in a week's time going back and forth to town and feed two cars, a pickup and a gas tractor and five gas generators I turn over every 30 days. Least ways that is the game plan for them. I have picked up four of them in last six months. I have a large steel work table outside away from my shop where I work on them so if something lights off it is away from valueable things. Went to one house where the motor on refrigerator lit off. Black lady about 70 was there, saw it, unplugged fridge, pulled it out from wall and got hose and had it out before we arrived. We were so proud of her we wanted to sign her up to work with us! ! ! !

That is why when I do get my 7.5 KW Onan JB propane unit up and going it will be in a concrete block well house that doubled as a laundry room many years ago about thirty feet from main house. The 250 gal propane tank will be on back side of building so if other buildings light off no heat will get to the tank. I store my 5 gal cans in there now but they will be moved when the generator goes in and there will be nothing in the room that burns except some shelving. The MEP is just another backup I thought would be handy to have.

Also have a camper trailer. Fridge is propane, 12 volt and 120 volt. When we travel we put food in fridge two days before we leave. Last thing before leaving is unplugg shore line and stow it and we run all day, get to a camp ground and plug up then open the door. Food is still frozen above and everything below is good. We don't open it on the road. I have seen trailers and motor homes on fire from fridges on the road.

I really appreciate the concern you guys have shown and your points are well taken and as well I have a healthy respect for about anything that will burn these days.
 

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Humpy, not sure why that website is not allowing you to open shopping cart and pay. I just tried it using IE browser and got all the way up to submitting payment, step 5 I believe. So it seems to be working for me. Not sure which Browser you are using but double check to make sure you don't have anything like a pop-up blocker turned on. Also could have been an intermittent issue with the website's checkout that has cleared up now.

Thanks for sharing your experiences and fire safety tips!
 

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Chainbreaker, I don't have any trouble with others and will try it again. I am waiting on a response from a buddy who is E7 in Air Force Reserve. He wants to get a MEP as well so I will see if he wants me to order him a 55 gal drum kit as well. I figure such had to be "in the system" and thought for sure it would be covered "in the manual) but wasn't.

SCSGG4 by any chance are you one of the ones that comes to the Chitlin Strut in Salley after Thanksgiving? A bunch of SCSG types were down here last couple of years.
 

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Mark, we've been to KDP at Ft. Jackson, range 4 at Ft. Gordon as well as Camp Perry in the huts. We both know Rick York, J.P. Young, Herb Lanford, Earle Schuler and Dennis Coggins. And I know the story of why you shoot southpaw. Do I need to go on, or are you going to look a little more closely at my avatar picture?
 

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Mike, The resolution on my screen lacks something to be desired but the names you have just revealed has confirmed both your and my reputations are now in the tank.haha. Is there anyone else on here that we need to "watch" haha de AC4HT@aol.com

I just ran you on QRZ and the avatar sure don't look like you did when I saw you at Battle of Aiken last year. I thought I had your phone number on my email list but alas it is not there.

Update: for the rest of you guys, Mike and I have know each other at least 20 years and maybe closer to 30. We had a long reunion on phone last night.
 
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SCSG-G4

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My mep003a came with what looks to be a 55 gallon drum adapter.
Most MEP-002's and 003's do have the adapter. That's why there is a setting for run with aux fuel. Way it works - start with a full primary tank, when it gets down to 1/4 tank, the aux pump is supposed to come on and fill the primary tank back up till it's a bit over 3/4, then shut off. If you are running the generator for long periods of time, this cycle is supposed to continue as long as there is fuel from the aux source. BTW, the aux source could also be a 5 gallon can, not just a 55 gallon drum. You just have to replace the smaller can with a fresh one a lot more often. YMMV.
 

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The MEP-016a gasoline generators also have an option to fuel from a remote source, but it is a simple 3 way valve inline with a cap on one port near the fuel tank, not a transfer pump set up like the diesel powered units have.
 

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Both my in use 002 and 003 cycle the fuel pump solenoid from 3/4 to 7/8 main fuel tank level. Aux fuel pump stays on while selector switch in fuel aux position.
David
 

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Is there anyone else on here that we need to "watch" haha de AC4HT@goingdownsoonaol.com

Hey,Mark, just a friendly tip - posting your email address in the open like that is a good way to get a lot of spam. There are programs that "crawl" the internet looking for just exactly what you did, and they collect them for spammers. They are called "spambots".


I changed what you posted so I don't make the problem worse for you, but you really ought to go back and edit that out. If you need to post an email address, you want to "munge" it, like this:



AC4HT AT a o l DOT com

The idea is to break it up so that it doesn't look like an email address to a robot, but a human can figure it out and put it back together.

:beer:
 
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