Military HMMWV Vs Civilian Hummer H1

[LouWon]

Soldiers weren't trying to drive them down the highway at 80 mph , they were limited to set convoy speeds .

I know that. When I go to the lake I’m going 60 and the military that are coming or going to Grayling are passing me with their new ones at 70 or 80


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[DatGuyC]

I think it really depends on the model year Hummer H1 you are comparing to. For the early years 1992-1993 they were pretty similar to HMMWV's. No airbags, 3 speed transmission, 6.2 motor.

 

[alphaseventwo]

They're not road worthy because they're dangerous!
Flip a hmmwv and report back when you get your speech back.

Flip a jeep and let me know how it goes as well...

 

[porkysplace]

Flip a jeep and let me know how it goes as well...

By the HMMWV's came into production , roll bars were standard equipment on Jeeps.

 

[porkysplace]

I’m not fighting the facts. I’m just trying to figure out the difference. They did not make two frames both units share the same frame as well as the drivetrain and brakes. As for the steering, the shaft is in two pieces when you look at the u joint. Plus the steering box is way to the right. If someone says that the steering doesn’t collapse, well the u joint will take care of that. Safe enough for our soldiers but not safe enough for civilians.


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Just because it has a u-joint doesn't it was designed to collapse , at best the u-joint could snap.
There is a reason they put slip joints on driveshafts to collapse with axle movement , the u-joint only compensates for angle.

 

[LouWon]

By the HMMWV's came into production , roll bars were standard equipment on Jeeps.

I guess that the only positive of the Humvee would be the lower center of gravity. A roll bar would be a great project and safety feature


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[LouWon]

Just because it has a u-joint doesn't it was designed to collapse , at best the u-joint could snap.
There is a reason they put slip joints on driveshafts to collapse with axle movement , the u-joint only compensates for angle.

I understand. But if you’re in an accident and the steering is coming at you in the Humvee, I think that at that point you would need more than a Band-Aid


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[Suprman]

As far as I know, the gov had an agreement with AMG that they wouldn’t sell surplus humvees to the public. So they were always scrapped. I believe in the beginning, just cutting them in half was enough and stuff like engines tires could be scavenged. But people were putting them back together. So the gov went to requiring shredding. I think AMG now is not the same as AMG when they were selling the civilian versions. So the agreement dosnt matter anymore. And GP made a deal with DLA to sell the humvees. Part of that deal is that the gov won’t give you any documents to on road register them. And GP, the govs middleman, makes you sign a letter holding them harmless so they can’t be sued when something happens. So you get people handing DMVs documents marked “off road use only” and they take notice. You can argue your points till you are blue in the face the DMV is going to do what it wants to do. They don’t have to make sense the DMV usually dosnt. It only takes one person to get DMV going and ruin it for others.

 

[LouWon]

As far as I know, the gov had an agreement with AMG that they wouldn’t sell surplus humvees to the public. So they were always scrapped. I believe in the beginning, just cutting them in half was enough and stuff like engines tires could be scavenged. But people were putting them back together. So the gov went to requiring shredding. I think AMG now is not the same as AMG when they were selling the civilian versions. So the agreement dosnt matter anymore. And GP made a deal with DLA to sell the humvees. Part of that deal is that the gov won’t give you any documents to on road register them. And GP, the govs middleman, makes you sign a letter holding them harmless so they can’t be sued when something happens. So you get people handing DMVs documents marked “off road use only” and they take notice. You can argue your points till you are blue in the face the DMV is going to do what it wants to do. They don’t have to make sense the DMV usually dosnt. It only takes one person to get DMV going and ruin it for others.

Got it. This was not about going to the DMV. Just gathering more knowledge on the different versions of the Humvee


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[porkysplace]

I understand. But if you’re in an accident and the steering is coming at you in the Humvee, I think that at that point you would need more than a Band-Aid


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Right and the Hi's have a collapsable steering collumn that passed FMVSS testing.

 

[tomelroy]

after 25 years they should be exempt from FMVSS, EPA, DOT regulations

 

[tage]

Every Pontiac on the road today went thru the DOT (Department of Transportation) process and was deemed (on road safe).
Every Buell motorcycle was put thru the same paces and tests as every say Honda or Harley - Davidson and was deemed safe and acceptable for public roads.

The Humvee was not, its really that simple.
Why you keep fighting the facts I am not sure..

Not what I'm getting at and turning my post into fuel for your fire.
I simply stated they were like them as part available. Not about road worthy standards you weirdo

 

[tage]

Flip a jeep and let me know how it goes as well...

Roll bars are standard on jeeps. I've seen some good t bone and flips of jeeps. Everyone walked away. But nothing caved in. Do that with a hmmwv.... Oh wait. You can't...
Thanks for playing

 

[dhaumann69166]

The Humvee was first at the request of the military. The H1 came after when Arnold asked for one. Unless I’m wrong


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Pretty sure that’s spot on. The only reason the H1 came to be is because a few people with REALLY thick wallets said “that’s bad ass, I want one but I want it to have power everything, leather, wood grain or carbon fiber and radio and heat and ac and .......”. Uncle Sam didn’t buy it to be comfy he bought it to get there, get the job done and go home. No extras needed. AM General decided that if they were willing to pay the price why not take the basics (frame, suspension, drive train, and body) and fancy it up some. To answer the question again they are mostly the same. H1 is the “on road” HMMWV is the “off road”.

 

[porkysplace]

Pretty sure that’s spot on. The only reason the H1 came to be is because a few people with REALLY thick wallets said “that’s bad ass, I want one but I want it to have power everything, leather, wood grain or carbon fiber and radio and heat and ac and .......”. Uncle Sam didn’t buy it to be comfy he bought it to get there, get the job done and go home. No extras needed. AM General decided that if they were willing to pay the price why not take the basics (frame, suspension, drive train, and body) and fancy it up some. To answer the question again they are mostly the same. H1 is the “on road” HMMWV is the “off road”.

And some of those changes were so they meet safety standards and passed the required crash test , that the HMMWV wouldn't pass.

Edit ; and this statement in the linked article shows how little the author really looked into these " all the automatics are GM four-speed 4L80Es."

Since early versions were turbo 400's and the 4L80E's a upgrade he did a very poor job of research.

 

[LouWon]

Pretty sure that’s spot on. The only reason the H1 came to be is because a few people with REALLY thick wallets said “that’s bad ass, I want one but I want it to have power everything, leather, wood grain or carbon fiber and radio and heat and ac and .......”. Uncle Sam didn’t buy it to be comfy he bought it to get there, get the job done and go home. No extras needed. AM General decided that if they were willing to pay the price why not take the basics (frame, suspension, drive train, and body) and fancy it up some. To answer the question again they are mostly the same. H1 is the “on road” HMMWV is the “off road”.

Even with mine I afraid to add all of the invoices, the only good part is I can do all of the work. And speaking of thick wallets, I saw a you tube where Arnold had his converted into an electric H1. The cost is somewhere in the Million dollar range


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[LouWon]

For those who don't like the diesel smell and have more than a few bucks to spend

http://www.kreiselelectric.com/en/b...esent-the-worlds-first-electrified-hummer-h1/

 

[dilvoy]

The shaft that attaches between the steering column and steering box is collapsible by design. Spend a hundred bucks and buy one so you can see it for yourself if you don't believe it is that way. It may make your future rides in your Humvee more comfortable since you won't be worrying about a solid steering assy pointed at your face. Would be worth a hundred bucks for me to find that out, but I already know it.

 

[LouWon]

The shaft that attaches between the steering column and steering box is collapsible by design. Spend a hundred bucks and buy one so you can see it for yourself if you don't believe it is that way. It may make your future rides in your Humvee more comfortable since you won't be worrying about a solid steering assy pointed at your face. Would be worth a hundred bucks for me to find that out, but I already know it.

Thanks. I did spent time looking at it. That’s why I was wondering if you are involved in a crash by the time the steering reaches you , you will have more issues than you can think of, plus with the steering box on the inside of the frame and the shaft at an angle, the steering is the least of my concerns


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[LouWon]

Thanks. I did spent time looking at it. That’s why I was wondering if you are involved in a crash by the time the steering reaches you , you will have more issues than you can think of, plus with the steering box on the inside of the frame and the shaft at an angle, the steering is the least of my concerns
Here's a picture of the steering assembly, debate all you want, it is probably better than a straight shaft.