You all have said it well. Doesnt matter how many people were on board,the vehicle went through many trials through war. But, with any non-common sense bareing person mistakes will happen. These vehicles were tested very well, but the lack of abilities of drivers can not be forseen. Sorry to the lives that were hurt, and taken, but stupidity should be painful. There are people that I have complete confidence in, and there are people I wouldnt walk on the sideswalk near. Sorry I'm venting. I have taken many of rides on "off-road" vehicles, in or around it. But, if the skill of the driver starts to show lack of that skill needed, I would be the first to point it out, or yank him out. Last resort bail out!!!!