The Skinny on 24087

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There is a tremendous amount of confusion among MV collectors about OD - and particularly, 24087. I've done a few years research into this (and, no doubt, will do a few more) and will try to provide some clarification.

First of all - BEWARE -- don't confuse colors with numbers. Today's Federal Standard is FS595B (it was adopted in 1989) - and there is a color 24087 listed in it. However, this is NOT the same COLOR as the Vietnam era 24087.

We will start with an OD history lesson, beginning well before our beloved FS-595A 24087.

Before FS595 there was TT-C-595, which had numbers wtih 4 digits rather than five.

The TT-C-595 standard used a two-digit prefix to distinguish both sheen, and color. The prefix 24 indicates this color was a semi-gloss green (interesting, because the 24084 to be discussed later is considered a beige under the FS595 system). The last two digits in the TT-C-595 system are used to denote relative darkness of the color - the larger the last two digits, the darker the color. In 1950 the official color adopted for army tactical vehicles was TT-C-595-2430, which was semigloss.

FS595 was adopted in 1956 and was the standard until 1968. Addendum 2 to FS-595 was made on May 9, 1960. With it colors 14087, 24087, and 34087 (Olive Drab) were replaced with X-14087, X-24087 and X-34087. As of Nov 29, 1961, the mix for X-24087 was as follows:

Lacquer: Acme 1744, Ditzler DAL-42955, DuPont (246)-29149, Rinshed-Mason U3742

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Enamel: Acme 22-1744, Ditzler DQE-42955, DuPont(93)-29149-H, Rinshed-Mason 2U3742

The applicable Federal Standard during much of the Vietnam war was FS595A (adopted in 1968).

Chg 3 to FS-595A was made on April 28, 1972 Colors 14050-X, 14087-X, 24087-X and 34087-X were introduced permanently to the standard and thus dropped the suffix "X".

Chg 6 to FS-595A February 1, 1980 issued a self-adhesive chip for 34087 to cover the "incorrect" shade included in the 1979 reprint of documentation.

Chg 7 was made to FS-595A, on January 1, 1984 was made. Colors 14087 and 24087 renamed to 14084 and 24084, 34087 renamed to 34088.

Chg 8 to FS595A was made August 30, 1984. In this revision Chg 6 was cancelled to prevent continued use of color designation 34087.

On December 15, 1989 the Federal Standard was revised, and became FS595B.

As can be seen here, the COLOR of FS595A 24087 pre 1984 is the same as FS595B 24084; FS595B 24087 is not the same COLOR as FS595A 24087.

Its no wonder so many folks complain that the paint they bought doesn't match their NOS parts.

HTH,
David Doyle
 

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Recovry4x4 said:
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As can be seen here, the COLOR of FS595A 24087 pre 1984 is the same as FS595B 24084; FS595B 24087 is not the same COLOR as FS595A 24087.

Its no wonder so many folks complain that the paint they bought doesn't match their NOS parts...
David Doyle
Based on the above (posted a year ago or so), I started using Aervoe 997B (24084) for the '69 8x8 and it is almost a perfect match with the original color on the truck. Painting a part at a time they blend with the original....
 

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RE: Re: The Skinny on 24087

reember if you add kits and stuff that you should not repaint them to match the original truck color as then you will not be original.. When we got stuff in the sixties in the Army we just bolted it on and the color shade was not a issue... beware of original claimed loaded vehicles with everything the same color. even WWII stuff...cad bolts on some, blued on others and plain rusty iron others...
 

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RE: Re: The Skinny on 24087

Thanks David for posting this info. The paint codes and paint history are a very in-depth subject. A lot of research/work went in to putting this info together for us novices.
Thanks Kenny for making it a sticky.
 

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The Aervoe 997B (24084 Vietnam era OD) is relatively new, not generally listed or stocked, got my supply from Alan Haage in NJ.
I'm very satisfied, the paint is also very hard and resists repeated walking on, like the top of the front bumper.

I'll spray an area with fresh paint for comparison later and it should match the year old. I'll post the result.

BTW, for priming, I use Rustoleum or zink chromate for bare aluminum. For uniformity, the rustoleum goes over anything that's painted, cleaned up old paint, zink chromate or bare steel.
Areas that got stencil work were wiped with paint thinner.
 

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I painted my M35a2 with AERVOE, it's now pink after a year in the sun.
I am sure U are right, but I have been using arvoe 24087 for over 10 years and it darkend like it was in the jungle sun, and have seen many many others in this and other clubs do the same, NOW i will say that the gilespie definitly turns gray , in fact one guys M 37 i thought was a poor job of Navy grey and he said no its gilespie, U probably have other issues when the painting process was done, hope U dont mind my 2 cents but there is overwhelming evidence of arvoe being the most correct color for the vietnam period, please do not take this any way but as another guy whos been around and is still learning too... HOLY SMOKES... :shock: ...Bjorn that is the COOLEST MV out there, Man that thing must be a blast to drive... :D ...I had to edit this post after seeing that pic, its the most complete pic I have seen here, Man GREAT Job!!!Super truck...Randy
 

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Here are pictures of my deuce and gamagoat. The deuce was just touched up (green) but began turning pink within the first year. You can see where hail hit it and exposed the green. It's rattlecan Aervoe. The Goat was painted with Gilespie 24087 in 2000 before I drove it to Kansas City for the convention.
Maybe it's the altitude here in Colorado, more UV than most places.
 

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although im partial to arvoe,I like the gillespe also, they are a different shade from each other though, the Gamo Goat looks AWESOME!!! man those things are super nice too!! One thing I have not driven yet and would LOVE too,,,they just have an attitude, it is a shame about that pink, it doesnt look like 24087 at all, i guess what is really correct is what each of us finds works for us, that is more fun too, imagine all the same paint scheme and nothing to talk about... :shock: ...Randy
 

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Hopefully no one minds resurrecting this thread.

My M37 is a bit of automotive archeology. In many places, each layer of paint is exposed.

Can anyone tell me what the top (darkest OD) layer of paint is? I thought it was 24087, but then the 24087 I got from Rapco matches the browner middle layer. Is the top layer still 24087 just one of the later formulas?

I believe the bottom, lighter layer to be the post-WWII Korean War-era paint, similar to the AJP WWII or 23070 from RAPCO.

Thanks,
Steve
 

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Now that is exactly what I want to know!
Is that a different paint code, or is it the Vietnam era correct 24084, because that appears to be the same color as my M151A1 and M35 interiors.
That is the paint color I am looking for!
 
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