bones1
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Any pictures of the fix with 4'' washers?.
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Torque Rod/Dogbone Replacement, the easy way
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No need to use washers. Flat bar stock works great.
Here is a technical article that the Roscommon Equipment Center released for the Forestry Service.
Pictures included.
They have many great writeups.
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Nice article.
I would like to comment on the topic of stretching the torque rods with flat stock or some other method.
Think of the photos you have seen of the extreme amount of articulation the rear bogie of a Deuce can accommodate. One wheel all the way up and the other all the way down, with the other axle similarly crossed up but in the opposite direction.
Now think about how compliant the torque rods have to be to do this. There is just no way that all of the required movement is coming from that rubber bushing flexing. The difference is made up by the torque rods themselves twisting.
It turns out that an I beam section does a good job of flexing torsionally. Once you extend the rods, you probably lose most if not all of their ability to flex properly. The same goes for replacement torque rods that are fabricated from DOM stock or whatever else was laying around.
Yes, even a bodged-up torque rod can twist. But how much force does it take? If much different from stock (don't think for a minute that the engineers who designed this suspension did not calculate this out to 2 decimal places) then you might be transferring stress to another component that is not designed for it, and ultimately something else fails. Even more likely, the builder wants to 'make sure these things are strong' so they overkill the extension and the weld, making the extended rods so much stiffer that they do not want to twist at all. Again, this transfers load to other parts of the suspension (for example, guaranteeing that a rubber bushing will rip apart) or perhaps even fracturing the 'new' rod.
I know that some guys have extended their torque rods, however they did it. And I know that most if not all of them will proclaim that all is fine. maybe. Or maybe no one wants to admit an error. Or maybe the way they use their trucks, they have gotten away with it. All of these things can happen.
But to me, the articulation capabilities of the stock rear suspension is one of the amazing thing about these trucks. I could not, myself, ever do anything that could take away from the original design.
That's me, YMMV, free country, it's your truck so do what you want with it, yada yada: I get it. But, something to think about, perhaps.
Think of the photos you have seen of the extreme amount of articulation the rear bogie of a Deuce can accommodate. One wheel all the way up and the other all the way down, with the other axle similarly crossed up but in the opposite direction.
Now think about how compliant the torque rods have to be to do this. There is just no way that all of the required movement is coming from that rubber bushing flexing. The difference is made up by the torque rods themselves twisting.
It turns out that an I beam section does a good job of flexing torsionally. Once you extend the rods, you probably lose most if not all of their ability to flex properly. The same goes for replacement torque rods that are fabricated from DOM stock or whatever else was laying around.
Yes, even a bodged-up torque rod can twist. But how much force does it take? If much different from stock (don't think for a minute that the engineers who designed this suspension did not calculate this out to 2 decimal places) then you might be transferring stress to another component that is not designed for it, and ultimately something else fails. Even more likely, the builder wants to 'make sure these things are strong' so they overkill the extension and the weld, making the extended rods so much stiffer that they do not want to twist at all. Again, this transfers load to other parts of the suspension (for example, guaranteeing that a rubber bushing will rip apart) or perhaps even fracturing the 'new' rod.
I know that some guys have extended their torque rods, however they did it. And I know that most if not all of them will proclaim that all is fine. maybe. Or maybe no one wants to admit an error. Or maybe the way they use their trucks, they have gotten away with it. All of these things can happen.
But to me, the articulation capabilities of the stock rear suspension is one of the amazing thing about these trucks. I could not, myself, ever do anything that could take away from the original design.
That's me, YMMV, free country, it's your truck so do what you want with it, yada yada: I get it. But, something to think about, perhaps.
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I just have to say, that this article was EXACTLY what I have been searching for! The picture examples of different stages of deterioration have been IMMENSELY helpful for my understanding. + many karmas to you.
THANK YOU.
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Has anyone had issues with the rubber after welding the flat plate to the rod end? I am considering doing this as a safety precaution, but I don't want to cause a problem I don't have yet either.
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What about if the new torque rod bushings have the 1 inch square hole in them? Anybody ever tried to tap those?
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That hole goes pretty deep. Not sure if there's enough meat there to drill a hole.
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I feel the same way Yolner. I've called two venders. Both sell only the bushings with the square holes.
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Welded strap on torque arms on a trailer .I bought this trailer from a salvage yard in 2006 and rebuilt it every thing has been apart sand blasted primed and painted I reused all the torque arms I need to check them with a pry bar I did not see any of them touching or rubbing the strap . They where welded before I bought I .
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I drilled and tapped them. I only had a couple of new dogbones that didn't have the square recess so I had to use the current version with the square.