Warren hydraulic winch

[Wingnut13]

Has anyone installed a Warren hydraulic winch on their LMTV? I don't have a winch for my truck yet and I really don't care for electric winches, though it seems to be the way to go sans a real hydraulic system on the truck. I'd love a stock setup but the chances of finding one here in New England are probably pretty slim. Most of the Warrens I've seen are rated for 10.5K, but I'd trust that over a 12K electric unit. Does anyone have an idea of how the stock power steering pump would handle that load? Possible or not?

I don't see myself winching through miles of swamp or up mountain passes....... just a recovery system (for others hopefully) and a bit of insurance for me off road.

Thanks all

~Wingnut13

 

[simp5782]

They make bolt on pumps with electric clutches for hydraulic units to run.

Or you can use an electric hydraulic pump. It would just be slow.


Not sure if the transfer case on an LMTV can accept a pump on the intermediate gear. I know this is done on Oshkosh and Rockwell cases not sure about in the LMTVs

I'm assuming you mean a warn hydraulic winch?

 

[TomTime]

Just FYI only.

If your concerned about the pulling rated, here is a 25,000 lb. winch.

This is the winch I will be going with unless someone can give me a reason not to.
Electric winch with 25,000 lb. rated.

'Stallion' - 25,000Lb Winch

The Stallion 25000lb Winch by Sherpa Winches. Shipping to United States of America. Great for larger SUVs and trucks. Jeep, GM, Ford, Chevrolet and more. Available in 12V or 24V and with steel cable or synthetic rope. Sherpa & Warn Winch. Warn, Badlands, Ramsey.

sherpa4x4.com

Good luck with your search.

 

[Wingnut13]

I'm not to concerned with the pull rating, anything 12K (electric) and up should be useful. The Warn winches seem to be woefully under rated, but maybe that's part of their success..... Undersell and overdeliver. I had a Ramsey PTO 8000lb winch that would easily pull double that, anyways....

I don't think I trust those Stallion winches, I have absolutely no dealing with them, never seen one in person. Just don't trust the Chineseium rebranded stuff.

 

[Third From Texas]

I don't think I trust those Stallion winches, I have absolutely no dealing with them, never seen one in person. Just don't trust the Chineseium rebranded stuff.

Sadly, it's all rebranded China crap these days (Warn, Ramsey, Sherpa). "Assembled in America" is just like "Assembled in Australia" when 100% of the components were made in China.

But the Aussies speak highly of the Sherpas and they *do* know off roading. The Sherpa owners that I've seen speak up all seem to love them (of course having one on a off-road RV is not the same as using one daily in a commercial application to see what it's made of).

I wanted a Stallion back when they were $1000 shipped. Not so much now at $1600 after they've become more popular here in the States.

 

[Green Mountain Boys]

I agree with you Wingnut13, hydraulic winches are far better than electric winches. When I was looking for my M1078 I searched the auction listings, only considering trucks with the self recovery winch. That rules out about 95% of the trucks. I eventually found one and I am very glad I did. I do not feel I paid a premium for the option of having a winch. I think the truck I purchased sold for about the same price as if it did not have a winch. The 1998 LMTV I have with the winch cost the government an additional $24,000. because it had the self recovery winch. (From documents that came with the truck) The winch on my truck appeared to have never been used. For that matter, my truck appears to have been barely used either. So I figure I bought the "used" winch for a fair price and the truck was free.
I knew I would not have the time or patience to swap an original winch into a LMTV that did not have one so that was not an option for me.
As for what to do with a truck without a winch. I am not sure, but I would exhaust all options for getting an hydraulic winch installed of some type.
I know there are 2 LMTVs in Vermont with the factory installed self recovery winch. There are probably more.

 

[TacMac2012]

I have a complete factory hydraulic winch setup of a FMTV if interested. Winch, PTO/pump, hydraulic hoses, etc etc. In NC but I can ship.

 

[dubblosvn]

I have a complete factory hydraulic winch setup of a FMTV if interested. Winch, PTO/pump, hydraulic hoses, etc etc. In NC but I can ship.

I may be interested....what kind of coin are you seeking? Do you know what year MTV it came from, I have a 2001 M1083a1.

 

[Guruman]

I may be interested....what kind of coin are you seeking? Do you know what year MTV it came from, I have a 2001 M1083a1.

Sorry, I bought the one from @TacMac2012 a few weeks ago. I'm not sure I'll EVER get it installed as it's a huge task. I'm guessing a hundred or more man-hours to get the drum and tank mounted, then install all of the frame parts, including that heinous front cab mount with the rollers. A bunch of the huck bolts need to be removed, then it has to be plumbed and wired. It's a huge job. Now that its' warming up, I'm going to give it a try.

I was looking at the Sherpa as well. Other than the cool factor, I'd be better off to have bought a big Sherpa for the front AND the rear. I'd be money ahead, and I'd have them installed already.

Just my 2c FWIW.

 

[Mullaney]

Sorry, I bought the one from @TacMac2012 a few weeks ago. I'm not sure I'll EVER get it installed as it's a huge task. I'm guessing a hundred or more man-hours to get the drum and tank mounted, then install all of the frame parts, including that heinous front cab mount with the rollers. A bunch of the huck bolts need to be removed, then it has to be plumbed and wired. It's a huge job. Now that its' warming up, I'm going to give it a try.

I was looking at the Sherpa as well. Other than the cool factor, I'd be better off to have bought a big Sherpa for the front AND the rear. I'd be money ahead, and I'd have them installed already.

Just my 2c FWIW.

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I have installed the winch. That was relatively easy and to be honest, I grumbled more about having to go get the bolts than anything on that part of the project. I have a forklift, so lifting it in place wasn't bad at all. No huck bolts involved on my particular M1088.

Removing the non-winch cab mount was a breeze. Getting the bolts tightened on the winch version was a real PITA, but with a break or two to let my blood pressure get back to normal - I finally got it done. The reward was the improvement in ride quality when I also replaced the cab bushings during that swap.

I still need a PTO and a Pump. My plan has been to go see the guys up the road from us that rebuild transmissions, transfer cases, and PTO's. Once I have those two pieces (pump and pto) - and maybe because I did it in small pieces of work - this really hasn't been a terrible job.

 

[Guruman]

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I have installed the winch. That was relatively easy and to be honest, I grumbled more about having to go get the bolts than anything on that part of the project. I have a forklift, so lifting it in place wasn't bad at all. No huck bolts involved on my particular M1088.

Removing the non-winch cab mount was a breeze. Getting the bolts tightened on the winch version was a real PITA, but with a break or two to let my blood pressure get back to normal - I finally got it done. The reward was the improvement in ride quality when I also replaced the cab bushings during that swap.

I still need a PTO and a Pump. My plan has been to go see the guys up the road from us that rebuild transmissions, transfer cases, and PTO's. Once I have those two pieces (pump and pto) - and maybe because I did it in small pieces of work - this really hasn't been a terrible job.

Well, that's encouraging. Thanks.

Also, the pump and PTO are fairly common COTS parts. Many, many commercial dump, roll-off, and other truck have an Allison Transmission and a PTO unit and pump bolted to it. Vanderhaags surely has a bunch of them for sale, I'd think.

 

[MrMikey4026]

Sorry, I bought the one from @TacMac2012 a few weeks ago. I'm not sure I'll EVER get it installed as it's a huge task. I'm guessing a hundred or more man-hours to get the drum and tank mounted, then install all of the frame parts, including that heinous front cab mount with the rollers. A bunch of the huck bolts need to be removed, then it has to be plumbed and wired. It's a huge job. Now that its' warming up, I'm going to give it a try.

I was looking at the Sherpa as well. Other than the cool factor, I'd be better off to have bought a big Sherpa for the front AND the rear. I'd be money ahead, and I'd have them installed already.

Just my 2c FWIW.

It takes about 40 hours to install the factory winch. I have recently installed one and I am old.

 

[Guruman]

It takes about 40 hours to install the factory winch. I have recently installed one and I am old.

Me too buddy, me too.

 

[MrMikey4026]

 

[Wingnut13]

I ended up buying a full factory setup for my truck. Just showed up a few days ago. It all looks very straight forward as everything is made for this truck. I’d say 40hrs install time should be about accurate. My biggest concern is the electrical side of things. I have an newer truck than what the winch came off of. I’m very happy I waited to get a stock setup.

 

[gslader]

Question for those of you with the OEM side mount hydraulic winches: How does cabling get rewound evenly across the width of the winch spool? I see that there are two guide wheels (one on the front and one on the back of the winch) that appear to slide horizontally on a rod. Are those guide wheels mechanically actuated to evenly lay out the winch cable laterally across the width of the spool (it doesn't look they are)?

 

[Guruman]

Question for those of you with the OEM side mount hydraulic winches: How does cabling get rewound evenly across the width of the winch spool? I see that there are two guide wheels (one on the front and one on the back of the winch) that appear to slide horizontally on a rod. Are those guide wheels mechanically actuated to evenly lay out the winch cable laterally across the width of the spool (it doesn't look they are)?

They are not. I'm working to R&R mine now. They are stuck on there pretty good.

With the fairleads so far distant from the drum, I don't see it piling up the cable on one side of the drum like you might with a typical winch.

 

[MrMikey4026]

Question for those of you with the OEM side mount hydraulic winches: How does cabling get rewound evenly across the width of the winch spool? I see that there are two guide wheels (one on the front and one on the back of the winch) that appear to slide horizontally on a rod. Are those guide wheels mechanically actuated to evenly lay out the winch cable laterally across the width of the spool (it doesn't look they are)?

If you spool it on with a load, it wraps perfectly.

 

[Mullaney]

If you spool it on with a load, it wraps perfectly.

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Agreed. The only reason would be when the cable gets old and rusty and starts to "shape" itself to the drum. Maybe.

Mine spools on and off easily and rolls nicely - filling up the drum and starts to fill in the third or fourth row etc