Why Blue Hummer Spindle Nuts? Hummer H1’s video answer!

[SmartDrug]

My comment was at the OP video, I didn’t post a response in quotes from anyone else…

You didn't quote that you were replying to the video, either...

 

[Milcommoguy]

NOW, I don't know what is correct. (throwing wrenches down...clang bang clink)

The TM or a comic book. LOL... Everyone have a nice day. Bottom line check those TABS. CAMO

 

[Mogman]

I am with RWH, this type of bearing retainers have been in use since the beginning of the automotive industry and have been used on millions if not billions of applications.
There are folks out there that take advantage of any type of hysteria and especially new comers to the HMMWV world fall prey to these shysters.

 

[Retiredwarhorses]

You didn't quote that you were replying to the video, either...

I replied to the thread, thus no need to quote ….if I was replying to a particular post in a thread as I am now, it’s in quotes.

 

[springer1981]

I opted to go with the EVC designed nut but would have been perfectly fine with the original locking tab as well. They give a bit more positive locking than the original tab lock IN MY OPINION. Having used locking tabs in many applications for years, the part I never liked is it relies on just 1 small tab in a slot on the shaft. You can have 1 or 3 or 10 bent tabs but there is still just 1 tab holding it. See picture below.



The EVC nut doesn't use the tab locking washer but uses thread jam nut. The disadvantage (to some, not me) is the steering knuckle cover needs to be opened up to clearance the slightly larger hex nut. These nuts run about $40 each vs $25 each for the tab setup vs $150 each for the BlueNut.





RWH, Nice catch on the nut being installed wrong in the video. I don't have enough experience with the hubs to notice that.

 

[SmartDrug]

I replied to the thread, thus no need to quote ….if I was replying to a particular post in a thread as I am now, it’s in quotes.

I wasn't the only one confused by your post, I spent time out of my day to try to help another member understand what I thought you meant. I didn't correct you, I didn't say you were wrong, I tried to explain what I thought you meant. If that offended you, I'm sorry. When you get bent out of shape and feel the need to correct someone who is attempting to clarify something, it makes this a more hostile place than it needs to be. Next time I won't bother, I hope the rest of your day gets better.

 

[springer1981]

I wasn't the only one confused by your post, I spent time out of my day to try to help another member understand what I thought you meant. I didn't correct you, I didn't say you were wrong, I tried to explain what I thought you meant. If that offended you, I'm sorry. When you get bent out of shape and feel the need to correct someone who is attempting to clarify something, it makes this a more hostile place than it needs to be. Next time I won't bother, I hope the rest of your day gets better.

The hardest part about posting on a forum is the lack of voice inflection. The text could be read many ways but the intent can easily be mistaken. In my opinion, it didn't seem like anyone was bent out of shape or had any bad intentions. I think RWH only meant to clarify his post, not attack yours. I try to assume the positive unless it is blatantly obvious. Don't stop posting or replying, thanks!

 

[Retiredwarhorses]

The hardest part about posting on a forum is the lack of voice inflection. The text could be read many ways but the intent can easily be mistaken. In my opinion, it didn't seem like anyone was bent out of shape or had any bad intentions. I think RWH only meant to clarify his post, not attack yours. I try to assume the positive unless it is blatantly obvious. Don't stop posting or replying, thanks!

Exactly…

 

[Retiredwarhorses]

The hardest part about posting on a forum is the lack of voice inflection. The text could be read many ways but the intent can easily be mistaken. In my opinion, it didn't seem like anyone was bent out of shape or had any bad intentions. I think RWH only meant to clarify his post, not attack yours. I try to assume the positive unless it is blatantly obvious. Don't stop posting or replying, thanks!

I wasn't the only one confused by your post, I spent time out of my day to try to help another member understand what I thought you meant. I didn't correct you, I didn't say you were wrong, I tried to explain what I thought you meant. If that offended you, I'm sorry. When you get bent out of shape and feel the need to correct someone who is attempting to clarify something, it makes this a more hostile place than it needs to be. Next time I won't bother, I hope the rest of your day gets better.

The only one who seems offended is you, I’m not sure how you arrived at all of this…I posted that the damn nut was backwards, I posted about the spindle nuts In General and pics, nothing to get all worked up about

 

[TOBASH]

Backwards parts. Loose bolts…

Ultimately, this proves we can’t trust GovPlanet hubs and spindles.

Blue Hummers are a good solution.

 

[Retiredwarhorses]

I opted to go with the EVC designed nut but would have been perfectly fine with the original locking tab as well. They give a bit more positive locking than the original tab lock IN MY OPINION. Having used locking tabs in many applications for years, the part I never liked is it relies on just 1 small tab in a slot on the shaft. You can have 1 or 3 or 10 bent tabs but there is still just 1 tab holding it. See picture below.

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The EVC nut doesn't use the tab locking washer but uses thread jam nut. The disadvantage (to some, not me) is the steering knuckle cover needs to be opened up to clearance the slightly larger hex nut. These nuts run about $40 each vs $25 each for the tab setup vs $150 each for the BlueNut.

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RWH, Nice catch on the nut being installed wrong in the video. I don't have enough experience with the hubs to notice that.

That clamp nut is for REV trucks, requires newer steering arm cover to fit them, similar is design of the clamp nut used on the H1, the H1 design is terrible.

 

[Mogman]

I opted to go with the EVC designed nut but would have been perfectly fine with the original locking tab as well. They give a bit more positive locking than the original tab lock IN MY OPINION. Having used locking tabs in many applications for years, the part I never liked is it relies on just 1 small tab in a slot on the shaft. You can have 1 or 3 or 10 bent tabs but there is still just 1 tab holding it. See picture below.

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The EVC nut doesn't use the tab locking washer but uses thread jam nut. The disadvantage (to some, not me) is the steering knuckle cover needs to be opened up to clearance the slightly larger hex nut. These nuts run about $40 each vs $25 each for the tab setup vs $150 each for the BlueNut.

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RWH, Nice catch on the nut being installed wrong in the video. I don't have enough experience with the hubs to notice that.

There is no twisting motion that the keyed retainer is subjected to, there is a large washer #28 with a tab behind the retainer that prevents anything from trying to turn or twist the retainer, again this same type of design is used in millions of applications.

The only way it can fail is if it is improperly installed.

 

[Milcommoguy]

Not here to pee on any parade... BUT which way does the nut go on. Seem the PS and the TM have it both ways ??

Flip a coin, put it on, CAMO

 

[Mogman]

The taper goes towards the retainer, the TM, picture and PS all the same to me.

 

[TOBASH]

Seems like this thread has become a bit divisive. Sorry.

My point is that spindle nuts can’t be trusted.

 

[springer1981]

That clamp nut is for REV trucks, requires newer steering arm cover to fit them, similar is design of the clamp nut used on the H1, the H1 design is terrible.

I said EVC but should have said REV... either way, my plan is to use my steering arm cover and open the inside of it to accommodate the nut.

 

[springer1981]

There is no twisting motion that the keyed retainer is subjected to, there is a large washer #28 with a tab behind the retainer that prevents anything from trying to turn or twist the retainer, again this same type of design is used in millions of applications.
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The only way it can fail is if it is improperly installed.

Yes, I am aware of the other washer and the clamp load etc. I'm still planning to use the REV version.

 

[Milcommoguy]

Crossed eyed looking here

I got it.. Taper to the bearing.

That was easy, CAMO

 

[blutow]

My point is that spindle nuts can’t be trusted.

My take away is that unknown people maintaining vehicles can't be trusted. I'd bet all variations of the spindle nut locks could could fail if installed improperly. Some of the versions are more "idiot proof" than others, but I don't think there is an issue with any of them if they are properly installed.

 

[springer1981]

I opted to go with the EVC designed nut but would have been perfectly fine with the original locking tab as well. They give a bit more positive locking than the original tab lock IN MY OPINION. Having used locking tabs in many applications for years, the part I never liked is it relies on just 1 small tab in a slot on the shaft. You can have 1 or 3 or 10 bent tabs but there is still just 1 tab holding it. See picture below.

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The EVC nut doesn't use the tab locking washer but uses thread jam nut. The disadvantage (to some, not me) is the steering knuckle cover needs to be opened up to clearance the slightly larger hex nut. These nuts run about $40 each vs $25 each for the tab setup vs $150 each for the BlueNut.

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RWH, Nice catch on the nut being installed wrong in the video. I don't have enough experience with the hubs to notice that.

My plan hit a glitch, I ordered the parts from Midwest Military but they sent the wrong parts and when I contacted them it turns out they don't have them in stock. Rather than putting on paid back order (eta 120 days) they refunded my money and told me I could buy them when they come in. Of course they won't honor the sale price I bought them for on their website. They will be happy to resell them to me at retail when they come in, $70 or 80 each.