• Steel Soldiers now has a few new forums, read more about it at: New Munitions Forums!

  • Microsoft MSN, Live, Hotmail, Outlook email users may not be receiving emails. We are working to resolve this issue. Please add support@steelsoldiers.com to your trusted contacts.

Fuel polishing

cranetruck

Moderator
Super Moderator
Steel Soldiers Supporter
10,350
75
48
Location
Meadows of Dan, Virginia
I have been looking for ways to clean up the fuel to the multifuel engine and ran into this image, an M1 Abrams with a fuel "polishing" system. Can anybody elaborate on this?
Thanks.

PS. I'm suspecting that dirty fuel from old fuel tanks is causing some of our FDC and IP problems...
 

Attachments

sprucemt

New member
554
14
0
Location
Warrensburg NY
AMSOIL / DAHL Diesel Fuel Filter / Water Separators



For Diesel and Marine Diesel Engines Up to 200HP
ADF-10 and ADF-11
Flow Rates (Single ADF-10 and ADF-11 Series) Recommended: 40 GPH (U.S.) (151 LPH) Maximum: 65 GPH (U.S.) (246 LPH) Specifications Flow Resistance: 0.75 in. Mercury @ 40 GPH Maximum Working Pressure: 25 PSI (172 kPa) Temperature Range: -50° to +225°F (-45 to +107C) Port Thread: 9/16-18 w/O-Ring Boss Height: 12-1/2 in. (317.5 mm) Width: 5-1/2 in. (139.7 mm) Depth: 6-1/2 in. (165.1 mm) Element Removal Clearance: 1-1/2 in. (38.1 mm) Sump Capacity: 8 oz. (236 ml)
Service Parts Elements
* Standard With Unit
DE-10* 2 Micron Element DE-11 10 Micron Element Recommended Service Interval: 500 hours or 20,000 miles
 

emmado22

Moderator
Super Moderator
Steel Soldiers Supporter
7,058
147
63
Location
Mid Hudson Valley NY
I've never seen a unit like that... M1 Abrams Tanks burn thru 500 gallons in 8 hours durring combat/training, and "old" fuel isnt a problem... If fuel cells somehow got crudded up, they get replaced with new ones. No "washing out" of old ones...
 

THEROAD

New member
112
1
0
Location
Brick NJ
Fuel polishing is common on larger boats. Lots of diesel sits for years. Companies sell the service of pumping your fuel through a bank of filters. In theory it works; practice is another matter. In boats large fuel tanks have many baffles to keep fuel from shifting as the boat rolls. Unless they cut a bunch if holes in the tank the crud never gets picked up. The other problem it flow rate has to be very high to have any hope of stirring things up. As far as I am concerned fuel polishing is pretty much a waste of money. With boats as with deuces not all of the fuel is burnt and returned to the tank. In real life use cleans up the fuel.Plus remember you got the fuel sloshing around. Just invest in a case of filters. I know been there done that. I bought a 35 Bertram with 3208 Cats and very dirty fuel. I had to change racors about every ten hours for first couple tanks of fuel. Changing filters at sea in rough conditions is lots of fun; but after three tanks of fuel no problems since. At 25 gallons an hour it did not take long. That was 5 years ago.
 
  • Like
Reactions: emr

cranetruck

Moderator
Super Moderator
Steel Soldiers Supporter
10,350
75
48
Location
Meadows of Dan, Virginia
I'm more concerned about hard particles, rust in particular and thought perhaps that the Abrams image had something to do with dust (sand) in the fuel....
Thanks for responding.
 

Bill W

Well-known member
1,985
45
48
Location
Brooks,Ga
Pretty much what road said
My competition was dockside filter rigs like pictured.
My setup was a 2000gal tank truck which I used to pump all the fuel out and then flush the garbage out of the now empty tank, using wands to snake through the limber holes in the baffles, flushing the tank at 28 gpm through a set of 10micron ( CimTec ) filters mounted in my truck and then a final filtration through a 1 micron ( Parker ) filter which was rated at 27gpm. Flushing/filtering the fuel is a waste of time if you can't get the tank itself clean, kinda like taking a shower and putting dirty cloths back on.
 

Attachments

Last edited:

dabtl

Active member
2,053
7
38
Location
Denton, Texas
I think we are on the same page with the rust particulates. I kind of view rust particulates in diesel fuel as very similar to the addition of aluminum particulates to diesel fuel and fertilizer. Bang! It seems to me the rust particulates could cause a much more intense reaction in the combustion chamber, already at a high compression rate, serious enough to damage or destroy the engine.

Rust in the deuce tank going through three filters might not be so bad IF the filter cans were not rusty also. Those rusty filter cans give me the willy's at times.

I'm more concerned about hard particles, rust in particular and thought perhaps that the Abrams image had something to do with dust (sand) in the fuel....
Thanks for responding.
 

cranetruck

Moderator
Super Moderator
Steel Soldiers Supporter
10,350
75
48
Location
Meadows of Dan, Virginia
Abrams tanks have plastic fuel cells.
That's a good thing, Mark. Dust and dirt can still get mixed in with the fuel in a desert environment and be very abrasive to nozzles and whatever, especially at high flow rates.


I'm 99% certain that my FDC and IP problems were caused by tiny rust particles from the old second hand fuel tank, which has lost a lot of it's original inside plating.
We are talking metal to metal lapped surfaces here and a hard particle in the fuel will scratch that finish and cause the FDC to leak and possibly the IP plunger to stick.

The steel filter canister problem is another good point, also mentioned by dabtl I believe....
 

cranetruck

Moderator
Super Moderator
Steel Soldiers Supporter
10,350
75
48
Location
Meadows of Dan, Virginia
The term "fuel polishing" may have it's own meaning and be misleading here, I'm simply interested in getting rid of the micron sized hard particles. Anybody ever used a magnetic type filter?

You know that fuel filtering is critical for the FDC and IP on the multifuel engine, in the sixties, what other engines used 3 stages of fuel filtration?
 

dabtl

Active member
2,053
7
38
Location
Denton, Texas
Yikes, now it is worse than I had thought! But, I wonder if I could not just tape a magnet to the side of a filter can to achieve the rust removal? It would probably not catch all of it, but perhaps a large amount? Perhaps with spin on filters you could do the same, but toss the entire canister out and save the magnet?

And, what might be a 'magnetic type' filter? I had never heard of that before.
 

WillWagner

The Person You Were Warned About As A Child
Super Moderator
Steel Soldiers Supporter
8,539
2,758
113
Location
Monrovia, Ca.
The same thing that THEROAD said in done in generators too. Like the BIG stand by ones.
 

cranetruck

Moderator
Super Moderator
Steel Soldiers Supporter
10,350
75
48
Location
Meadows of Dan, Virginia
Thanks Don, can you specify a particular filter? I know that rust particle(s) got thru the 3 standard filters and scored the FDC plunger enough to cause it to leak on my deuce. Images of the plunger were posted some time in the past and the metal to metal seal did no longer do its job.
 

dabtl

Active member
2,053
7
38
Location
Denton, Texas
I looked up the filte mags, they sure want a high price for them!

Then I looked up the Dahl filters, a good idea also, but with the aging of these filter cans, rust would by pass the Dahl filter set up PRIOR to the primary filter it would seem.

The ideal solution might be the Dahl filter installed prior to the primary filter and spin on filters replacing entirely the stock filter cans.

I had figured on working out the rust problem in the filter cans prior to cleaning out the fuel tank. I give myself a kind of next summer time line on all of this.
 

sprucemt

New member
554
14
0
Location
Warrensburg NY
Thanks Don, can you specify a particular filter? I know that rust particle(s) got thru the 3 standard filters and scored the FDC plunger enough to cause it to leak on my deuce. Images of the plunger were posted some time in the past and the metal to metal seal did no longer do its job.

We are talking microns, right? So particles less than 2 microns are in your system?
 

sprucemt

New member
554
14
0
Location
Warrensburg NY
I looked up the filte mags, they sure want a high price for them!

Then I looked up the Dahl filters, a good idea also, but with the aging of these filter cans, rust would by pass the Dahl filter set up PRIOR to the primary filter it would seem.

The ideal solution might be the Dahl filter installed prior to the primary filter and spin on filters replacing entirely the stock filter cans.

I had figured on working out the rust problem in the filter cans prior to cleaning out the fuel tank. I give myself a kind of next summer time line on all of this.

Where is the rust coming from, the tank or the filter housing?
 

dabtl

Active member
2,053
7
38
Location
Denton, Texas
My experience is limited to four deuces only. All others may be completely different, though I doubt it.

Each of the four has had a dirty fuel tank. Algae, perhaps rust also as they seem to go hand in hand, in possibly some quantity in the bottom. When I see algae, I see water also. That probably is where the rust forms in the tank.

When I changed the fuel filters, each and everyone had rust and goo in all of the filter cans. I cleaned it as well as I could, initially. But, the more I thought about it, more rust has to form over time and I began thinking about how to stop the rust because it has to be a problem over time. That is when the jatonka spin on primary came to mind. In a short time the first rust source in the filters was eliminated. Now, I worry about the secondary filter cans. They will rust again unless they are 1) replaced with new cans which will eventually rust also; 2) sand blasted and perhaps powder coated to retard the rust coming back or the secondary fuel filters get replaced with either spin on adapters or completely replaced with another kind of filter holder with spin on filters.

Looking at aftermarket filter set ups they appear mostly to be in the above $500 price range.

So, the decision is to either purchase one of the after market kits or find an alternative, it would appear.

It will do little good to clean the fuel tank if the filter cans produce rust also.
 
Top
AdBlock Detected

We get it, advertisements are annoying!

Sure, ad-blocking software does a great job at blocking ads, but it also blocks useful features of our website like our supporting vendors. Their ads help keep Steel Soldiers going. Please consider disabling your ad blockers for the site. Thanks!

I've Disabled AdBlock
No Thanks