stock engine replacement or repower with something else

[bones1]

What year Dodge pickups came with the 5.9 set up?. I assume you are talking Dodge here. What about GM or Ford diesels or are they not suited for this purpose?.

 

[oldMan99]

What year Dodge pickups came with the 5.9 set up?. I assume you are talking Dodge here. What about GM or Ford diesels or are they not suited for this purpose?.

Well.... I'm sure this has been discussed in some of the 5.9 conversion threads but briefly:

The 5.9 comes in 3 basic versions. The oldest is probably the best suited to a Deuce and in fact is the favorite of many "Motorheads" because it has zero electronics. If you ever get hit with an EMP this engine would be completely unaffected - Just be sure to carry extra water to clean the zombie blood off the windshield.

I'm probably not exact on the years but they were put in the Dodge truck from about 1983 to 1988.. again..ABOUT. These are knows as "12 valve" engines.

The first "24 valve" engines replaced the 12 v and it has some electronics. A later "Improvement"is known as the "Single rail" and it also has electronics. Depending on which Cummins motorhead you talk to you will hear that each one is the best for 3 or 4 reasons.

More or less the primary difference is the fact that the 12 v has no electronics and both of the 24 v's do. If you want to "hop up" the motor with the 12 v it is (almost) all done with parts and mechanical adjustments. With the 24 v most of it will be done with a black box programmer and some parts. -- More or less --

Again, for a Deuce, probably the "Most appropriate" would be the 12 v since #1 it is the oldest, #2 has no electronics to go out, to get wet or to complicate working on the motor.

Chevy motors I'm not really up on to much but from what I know about them they are pretty decent for the most part. As long as your talking the Duramax. Before that they tried using a converted gas motor and that was basically a disaster.

Ford motors:
6.9 1982-1994
7.3 1994-2003
6.0 2003-2008
6.8 2008-2010
6.7 2011

The "one to have" depending on who you talk to would be the 7.3 or the 6.0.

The 7.3 was known as being bullet proof but the auto trans had (correctable) issues. Factory turbos were added about -97 or 98 and starting in 99 a turbo intercooler was added. If I were to consider a 7.3 it would be a 99+ model.

The 6.0 has several issues and if you get one you DO NOT want a -03 or 04. The years to have are -05 to 08. You only want one of these if you have another $5,000 to put into the necessary fixes and improvements. (Oil cooler replacement, EGR cooler delete, new head gaskets and replace the head bolts with head studs) IF you do all of that then you have an awesome motor. Lighter and more powerful than the 7.3 but WAY more expensive. By the time you get a decent motor and add the $5,000 to it your probably looking at $10-18K Then you need a OD trans to go with it... I'm sure it is possible to get one for less, but i know for a fact it is real easy to spend more on one too.

All the above mentioned engines are V8 in design except for the Cummins which is a straight 6.

Without question the least expensive, easiest to install, easiest to work on and most popular for any conversion like your taking about here is the Cummins 5.9.

You can find dozens of postings where people have removed their stock motor in Fords and Chevys and installed the 5.9. I do not know of a single thread where somebody has removed a 5.9 and replaced it with a Ford or Chevy or any gas motor. Not saying it has never happened, only that I have never seen or been told of such a thread.

Don't get me wrong, I like Fords, (and I guess some Chevys...LOL) For the last 25+ years I have driven a Ford diesel, but for a project anything like this, no question my choice would be a 5.9 with an auto OD trans (Out of a 2 wheel drive truck).... For whatever that info is worth...


Hope that is helpful...

 

[bones1]

" no question my choice would be a 5.9 with an auto OD trans (Out of a 2 wheel drive truck).."

Thank you. This is valuable information. Different/shorter trans in the 4x4 I suppose is why it is not recommended.

 

[ODdave]

there are 4 basic dodge versions of the 5.9. ALL have electronics, but can be eliminated on 12v or 6bt's, ISB engines cannot
88-93 where VE rotary pumped engines (160 HP)
94-97 where P-pumped engines (160-215 HP)
98-2002 where vp44 pumped (215-245 HP) ISB engine electronics CANNOT be removed
2003-2007 (iirc) are common rail (no IP) electronic injectors, lots of easily tunable power but comes with tons of wires!

 

[ODdave]

oh yea, Brian, what about a DT466? i do know where a P-pumped one is....

 

[Blood_of_Tyrants]

Shoot me a PM, I am no more than a few hours from you with a good running deuce engine.

 

[Chevyman_15237]

I'm going to go with ODdave on the idea of a DT-466. Go mid 80's to early 90's before all of the electronics are introduced. Probably similar in size and weight to the multifuel, parts are readily available locally.. i'm sure there would be some fanangaling (24v electronics and possible bellhousing). I think it would be a good swap!

 

[mudguppy]

if you go with a DT, go with the 360. the DT466 (as well as the 6CT Cummins) will have you moving the transfer case rearward and running without an intercooler (or force you to run a remote or ATW cooler).

 

[oldMan99]

if you go with a DT, go with the 360. the DT466 (as well as the 6CT Cummins) will have you moving the transfer case rearward and running without an intercooler (or force you to run a remote or ATW cooler).

Travis, what is a "ATW" cooler?

 

[eldgenb]

travis, what is a "atw" cooler?

air to water

 

[eldgenb]

most of the mechanical DT466's and Cummins 6ct's I have come across and not intercooled. Here are some pics of a Cummins 6ct in a deuce, tight fit but managable. Also if you are putting either one in a deuce you will need a new transmission to handle the power and you can find one shorter than the stocker to make up for the length. No such thing as a bolt in on these trucks.

 

[eldgenb]

Oh and Mudguppy you were right, after finding this picture my first reaction was, "hey, they do put the P7100 on the mil 8.3's!!"

 

[rongaudier]

3.0 crd as in 2007-2009 jeep cherokee
215 hp @3600 376 LB-FT torque @ 2000

 

[mudguppy]

... Here are some pics of a Cummins 6ct in a deuce, tight fit but managable. ...

is that yours? that looks great!!!

... and you can find one shorter than the stocker to make up for the length. ...

have you found one shorter than the Spicer? i sure wasn't able to...

 

[ranchhopper]

I put this little caterpillar in my bobbed deuce.

 

[Chevyman_15237]

What series cat is that ranchhopper??

 

[largeboar]

What transmision did you use ranchhopper? I have a 3208 out in an old combine with real low hours that begging for a new home.

 

[eldgenb]

is that yours? that looks great!!!





have you found one shorter than the Spicer? i sure wasn't able to...

No that one is not mine, took that off of eastern surplus website, I have not looked yet to see what trans is shorter than the spicer if any but sliding the t case back a little would not bother me if I had to.

 

[eldgenb]

3.0 crd as in 2007-2009 jeep cherokee
215 hp @3600 376 LB-FT torque @ 2000

The things you guys have to think about when it comes to different series of engines is torque, more importantly when it generates the most of it, the 3.0 crd is great for sprinter vans and cherokee's but you will run it to death trying to keep a 14k minimum truck (empty) humming along for any amount of time. In the smaller series engines like the 5.9 you can take whatever the horsepower is and times it by 2 and it is pretty close to what you could expect for torque, you take a medium duty like a 8.3 or a DT466 and you can usually time 2.75 of the horsepower, on a lot of the class 8 trucks you can get almost 3.5-4 times. The old saying there is no replacement for displacement is also in line with diesel technology. You would want to put the largest engine in you could(within reason) to get the best out of your truck. I did not even mention about where the torque is made but the bigger the engine the lower the rpm for peak torque typically.

 

[ranchhopper]

The cat engine is a turboed model 250 HP I used a trans from an 818 behind it.