NO START without ETHER !!!???

[stalker]

I need help from the panel of experts on what to try next to get my Deuce to start on it's own without starter fluid. I ran the truck up to the store, shut it off and went inside for supplies and when I came back out, it would not start back up. Thought mabye out of fuel, so put spare 5 gallons in... no go.
I've got it at the homestead now and can get her running if I use starter fluid. Truck has a hard time idling, but will run good over 800 rpm. If I give it gas and back off quickly she will die. At this point, I have removed primary and secondary fuel filters to eliminate clog problem. I removed fuel pump and cleaned it, but did not make a difference. Accessory switch on and all bleeders incuding the one on top of secondarhy filters push fuel. Fuel also comes from the return line as well. The kill switch lever appears to be in the seven oclock position. STILL NO START WITHOUT ETHER. Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction.

 

[gimpyrobb]

Humm, does that lever in the 7 o'clock position move forward and back freely? Have you checked to see if the piston is moving up and down?

 

[stalker]

With the truck off, the kill lever moves bachward freely (7 oclock to 3 oclock) but does not move forward past 7 oclock. I have not checked the piston pump because I thought the since the truck will run with an ether start then the piston must be pumping.

 

[gimpyrobb]

Can't hurt to rule it out, running out of easy checks to do. Going to have to pull the HH for more trouble shooting.

 

[John S-B]

Untill you solve your problem, you might want to try spraying WD40 in the intake instead of ether, it should be a little easier on the engine.

 

[Floridianson]

Increase main fuel

 

[Westex]

Don't use ether; you'll eventually blow it up. Sounds like an injector pump issue. Your choice at this point, unless you find a more obvious tracing problem, is to pull the IP, or let somebody do it for you. It is not cheap if it is the injector pump.

 

[WillWagner]

When it idles, what RPM is it at?

 

[stalker]

John, I will try wd40 as I know ether is hard on the motor.

Floridason- where is main fuel adjustment?

willwagner- Approx. 400-500 rpm

 

[dittle]

Thats a little low on the idle, should idle in the 700 - 800 range

 

[hdexpert]

Is the in tank fuel pump working? When's the last time you changed your fuel filters?
I agree, lay off the ether. I shattered the rings in my deuce with that crap!!

 

[Floridianson]

The twin nuts by FDC. Quick and easey loosen outer half turn turn inter nut clockwise two full turns then lock down jam nut and see if that helps.

 

[chicklin]

The twin nuts by FDC. Quick and easey loosen outer half turn turn inter nut clockwise two full turns then lock down jam nut and see if that helps.

Two FULL turns? Isn't the conventional wisdom to only turn it a flat or two at a time and then check things out (preferably with a pyro)?

 

[LowTech]

Don't use ether; you'll eventually blow it up.

I agree, lay off the ether. I shattered the rings in my deuce with that crap!!

What if the truck came w/ the ether set-up? Mine did.

 

[stalker]

Tomorrow, I will increase the main fuel. James what would have changed to require the increse?

 

[gimpyrobb]

What if the truck came w/ the ether set-up? Mine did.

So did Buff's. (hdexpert)

 

[hdexpert]

What if the truck came w/ the ether set-up? Mine did.

So did mine. Use it as little as possible. If you have to start the truck with it, stop what you're doing and find the problem before you f up you engine!!

 

[stumps]

What if the truck came w/ the ether set-up? Mine did.

The standard ether setup isn't supposed to supply ether unless the ambient temperature is below something like 35F.

-Chuck

 

[sandcobra164]

Mine gave me the same trouble after I swapped turbos and broke one of the hard plastic lines that feed the intake heater. I sealed the line off since I don't need a intake heater and the truck started fine on the coldest day in GA. It now fires on the first bump of the starter again. Intank pump was fine the whole while. I never had to use ether but it would start quick, die about 10 seconds later and then take extensive cranking / sputtering before it'd run. It also felt quite low on power until I got the issue sorted out.

 

[Josh]

A little gasoline on a rag over the mushroom is a good "starting" fluid for the deuce. Ive used it a few times when the deuce wouldnt start on it owns. Shouldnt hurt it either.