NV4500 swap a sucess

[acesneights1]

May sound somewhat noob-ish but how did you run the reverse switch? Meaning, exactly how did you wire the reverse lights? There are two wires off the tranny..what did you wire them to?

Nothing yet. If it ever stops raining here I am going to get a connecter and run teh wires to the plug from the column. I have not really looked at it yet but it should work. What I don't think is there is the plug for the neutral safety switch. I dunno, I have to look at it. These are loose ends I didn't tie up yet. Something else weird I noticed about the truck...The turn signals work with the key off ?? IS there something different about the columns ? I checked the color coding on the plugs of both columns and they matched exactly. I never really notice before but do the turn signals work with the key off on these or do I have a problem with my column swap ??

 

[Atwater]

i didn't ether until i tried to tell napa the new flywheel they gave was wrong

 

[ODdave]

No netral saftey switch. It uses a cluthc peddle switch.

 

[acesneights1]

Whats with the other top plate?

P.S. Check your pivot ball and clutch fork while it is out. People NEVER grease them like they should.

I never answered you as I was typing like mad but the fork, ball, bushings etc were all brand new. The PO had rebuilt everything and put less than 700 miles on it and the truck caught fire. He swapped the top cover for a later model one with the 4 bolt shift tower. I don't know why. He gave me a bucket full of spare parts and the old cover looked fine to me. So did the old input shaft.

 

[acesneights1]

No netral saftey switch. It uses a cluthc peddle switch.

Yeah I was looking at the wiring on the column I took out and only saw two wires so I never noticed it before but the CUCV had no neutral safty switch ? So then those two wires must have been for the reverse lights. They never worked anyway but I never investigated why.

 

[acesneights1]

So does anybody know if the Turn signals should work with the key off ?

 

[acesneights1]

i didn't ether until i tried to tell napa the new flywheel they gave was wrong

That is interesting because AFAIK there is no difference with the GR. I know I used my spare GR from my 4l80e burb in my 93 which was an NV.

 

[acesneights1]

Just looked on NAPA's website. It seems the DD starters are different from Auto to standard but GR are not...I learned something new. I thought it was because I used a flywheel off a 6.5TD

 

[ODdave]

sorry its been a while but iirc, There should be two 2 wire plugs on the white switch at the base of the colomn. One is NSS the other is Reverse. Your 4500 should have a 2 wire swithch on the top plate for the reverse lights, on your clutch peddle assm. you should have a switch with a long arm conected to the peddle. Hook your original nss wires to this.

You probably already know this but somone vewing this thread may not.

 

[acesneights1]

My white switch only had one plug so now I wonder what I don't have. I know the reverse lights have never worked since i had but then on the other hand the plug from the white switch is just hanging out right now not connected to anything and the truck starts fine so it can't be a NSS.

 

[ODdave]

Sorry, you original cucv column. your stick colomn will only have one. There should be a stray plug somwhere.

 

[acesneights1]

I have to look at it more closely. By rights the truck should not start since I did not reconnect any plugs and it does.

 

[acesneights1]

OK, from what I can tell, it does not have a Neutral safety switch. I yanked the tranny back out today. I just wasn't comfortable that the flywheel bolts were torqued properly after knowing the fklywheel was hitting the starter. I'll post pics when I can but as I suspected the bolts were not "loose" but not torqued to 66 ftlbs either. I also forgot to snot the drip tube from the valley. So I pull the bellhousing off and it's full of oil. The oil pan is leaking badly. It's rusted besides so I yank the pan, clean it up and paint it . New gasket. 8hrs flat to do the tranny R&R with oil pan job. Not too bad. I have piece of mind now. I also extended all the breather hoses for the TC,Tranny up into the engine bay so they won't get water in them next weekend when I enter the mudbog with it. I also replaced the starter support bracket that was not hooked up. Also I tried a 12v GR starter for fitment and it hit the flywheel as well so Manuals must be different . I see nothing wrong with using the starter the truck had now that I ground out the nose cone. I don't believe the integrity is compromised.

 

[Firejareen]

ODDave- On the original CUCV column all I have is a single plug for reverse lights.. where would the NV4500 plug in?

 

[acesneights1]

I am going to extend the wires from that plug and get the correct weatherpack connector .

 

[ODdave]

ODDave- On the original CUCV column all I have is a single plug for reverse lights.. where would the NV4500 plug in?

I belive i was mistaken, Got confused with the newer body style column.
The reverse lights will plug into the top plate on the 4500
The saftey switch is on the clutch.

 

[mudguppy]

OK, from what I can tell, it does not have a Neutral safety switch. ...

correct, the '4500 does not have a neutral safety switch. i missed what clutch pedal assy you are using, but typically the safety switch is a micro switch on the clutch pedal. you should be able to wire it up in the same manner as the safety switch on an auto column shifter, depending on whether the truck is looking for normally closed or open.

 

[ODdave]

Pic of the clutch peddle switch

 

[acesneights1]

correct, the '4500 does not have a neutral safety switch. i missed what clutch pedal assy you are using, but typically the safety switch is a micro switch on the clutch pedal. you should be able to wire it up in the same manner as the safety switch on an auto column shifter, depending on whether the truck is looking for normally closed or open.

That was not what I meant. The CUCV with teh TH400 did not have one so I did not bother wiring up the one on the clutch pedal. The column that came in the CUCV M1008 factory did not have a Neutral saftey switch, only a reverse light switch hooked up. Whether the plug is under there disabled, I don't know. Did not look into it yet but the one plug that was on the column is hanging under the dash right now not connected and the truck starts right up fine. I emailed the PO of the tranny to see if he knows what Starter he was using as the 6.5 GR one I had hit as well but it was from an Auto. I was unaware of a difference.

 

[acesneights1]

Well this is not looking good. I think the 6.5td flywheel may have a slightly different offset from the crank. That is why I cannot get a starter to line up without grinding it out. I have new 6.2 and 6.5 flywheels on order from Advance. The guy is going to let me compare them on the counter. I will know Wed if I'm pullin this friggin tranny out a 3rd time...