816 operator TM / FM

[zebedee]

Done the search through TM's and FM's - couldn't find specific instructions for use of 816. Could someone point me in the right place in this forum - I will take necessary abuce squarely on the chest... This is probably like the "it's on the bottom' shelf sir" in the grocery store since I'm 6'4"!!!

NB. I have 'W' endorcement (Tow truck) on licence and CDL A (permit) so I know how to use the wrecker. HOWEVER my 13 year old "soldier B" son would be 'chuffed as nuts' if I highlited his responcibilities in the appropriate manual. Would like a '70's one for the 816 (I do have soldier A and soldier B TM/FM for M984 E1).

As I said - have been through recovery TM's - rigging and vehicle recovery also vehicle driver FM and can't find what I need.


Thanks.

 

[73m819]

The tm9-2320-260-10

 

[zebedee]

Thanks Ron - I had read 2-20 in the TM but I guess I was looking for more - as described in the M984E1 TM - with references to Soldier A and Soldier B.
Doesn't detail any alternative proceedures or equipment for all the different vehicles the 816 is expected to tow. The 984 manual goes into great length on all relative vehicles for each situation : towing flat, front suspended, rear suspended



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[Warthog]

Are you looking for the FM 20-22 Vehicle Recovery Operations? Not specific to the 816 but very usefull.

 

[zebedee]

Yea Warthog - I had seen that one, lots of good technical stuff, though I was actually looking for the 816 equivalent version of the current manual (984's) but it didn't actually exist. It appears that the towbar for the 816 was a 'see all - do all' with the exception of a couple of different ends for towing OR lift-towing, so there wasn't a whole load of different attatchments for different vehicles/bumpers. When the HEMTT 'stinger' came along - in effect turning the towbar around, the whiffle tree and the pintle end of the tow bar became one. Now, the configuration of the bumpers and all the different types of anti IED stuff etc., see MRAP, Buffalo and so on, mean that the differences are important since the front or rear axle is not used - it may be chained up for safety, but the bumper or lift points is the means of lift and tow. All this makes it a lot easier for my son to learn anyway

Regards and thanks.

Thread could re-open for discussion on merits of HEMTT 'stinger' vs 816/936 towbar and lift setup.....

 

[zebedee]

More questions to wrecker folk:

i/ Orange "lolly pop" inboard of LH turn indicator on front fender - was the use of that replaced with rotating beacon - mounted from rear left gun ring support socket? If not I'll check for bad bulb!!!
ii/ E-3 Stowage locations... items 6, 7, 8 and 13 (Compartments 3A, 3B, 5 and 7) appear to be 'under' the deck since they are dotted as per 1 'Tank Compartment' and 2 'Glove box' and item 14 is "left deck". Also towbar and whiffel tree are stowed 'in' compartment 4 - item 9 which should be "right deck" not small compartment that is at the right rear under the deck...???

I do appreciate that things change and my truck may have been built before TM changes were written, but that doesnt explain how certain square pegs want to be fit into round holes whilst still inservice. ie., I have Power divider 6 but not Transfer power takeoff control lever (M816) 7 ... 2-6 Change 1 (TA 094221) from TM-' 260-10 from this forum.

 

[Csm Davis]

i/ Orange "lolly pop" inboard of LH turn indicator on front fender - was the use of that replaced with rotating beacon - mounted from rear left gun ring support socket? If not I'll check for bad bulb!!!
ii/ E-3 Stowage locations... items 6, 7, 8 and 13 (Compartments 3A, 3B, 5 and 7) appear to be 'under' the deck since they are dotted as per 1 'Tank Compartment' and 2 'Glove box' and item 14 is "left deck". Also towbar and whiffel tree are stowed 'in' compartment 4 - item 9 which should be "right deck" not small compartment that is at the right rear under the deck...???

I do appreciate that things change and my truck may have been built before TM changes were written, but that doesnt explain how certain square pegs want to be fit into round holes whilst still inservice. ie., I have Power divider 6 but not Transfer power takeoff control lever (M816) 7 ... 2-6 Change 1 (TA 094221) from TM-' 260-10 from this forum.

Same place but number 12 aux air valve, does anyone have this in their wrecker if so post a pic and I also would like to know about the above questions.

 

[73m819]

i/ Orange "lolly pop" inboard of LH turn indicator on front fender - was the use of that replaced with rotating beacon - mounted from rear left gun ring support socket? If not I'll check for bad bulb!!!
ii/ E-3 Stowage locations... items 6, 7, 8 and 13 (Compartments 3A, 3B, 5 and 7) appear to be 'under' the deck since they are dotted as per 1 'Tank Compartment' and 2 'Glove box' and item 14 is "left deck". Also towbar and whiffel tree are stowed 'in' compartment 4 - item 9 which should be "right deck" not small compartment that is at the right rear under the deck...???

I do appreciate that things change and my truck may have been built before TM changes were written, but that doesnt explain how certain square pegs want to be fit into round holes whilst still inservice. ie., I have Power divider 6 but not Transfer power takeoff control lever (M816) 7 ... 2-6 Change 1 (TA 094221) from TM-' 260-10 from this forum.

NO, the warning light on the left is OE equip, it is supposed to flash with it's own flasher, the warning lights (beacons) mount behind the cab just in side the corners. the beacons are a add on , not BII nor OE

Standard military operation

Number 7 - transfer power takeoff control lever is for the m815 and the m819, NOT the m816

 

[Csm Davis]

Ok so where's the switch and flasher for the front light? And the TM is wrong about the lever? Say it ain't so! I have three 816's here and none of the front flashing lights work and none have a switched airline in the cab.

 

[73m819]

Ok so where's the switch and flasher for the front light? And the TM is wrong about the lever? Say it ain't so! I have three 816's here and none of the front flashing lights work and none have a switched airline in the cab.

About 3" to the right of the master on/off, tag says WARNING LIGHT, flasher is on the engine side of the firewall somewhere

The 819 has the extra air shutoff valve on the cab side of the firewall right where the tm shows it., looks to be about 3/8 fitting size if I take the cap off

 

[Csm Davis]

Thanks I found the valve because you said it was on the firewall. That switches on the rotator lights on my one 816 will have to check on other two to see.

 

[73m819]

Thanks I found the valve because you said it was on the firewall. That switches on the rotator lights on my one 816 will have to check on other two to see.[/QUOTE]

I am guessing that when the rotator lights were installed, thay were wired to the OE warning light switch and just abandoned the OE warning light instead of installing the switch that came with the beacon light kit.

 

[zebedee]

NO, the warning light on the left is OE equip, it is supposed to flash with it's own flasher,

So where is the seperate flasher and switch for the OE 'lollypop'? I do not have another switch.

No answers / explanation on lockers yet?

Havent even looked for an aux airline yet!

Oh yea - no trailer brake lever - guess that's for the 818 etc.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Csm Davis]

Yeah all three 816's here are wired that way but in my opinion more is better when it comes to warning lights where's that flasher at so I can wire up all of them one truck has two lights on the front

 

[73m819]

About 3" to the right of the master on/off, tag says WARNING LIGHT, flasher is on the engine side of the firewall somewhere

The 819 has the extra air shutoff valve on the cab side of the firewall right where the tm shows it., looks to be about 3/8 fitting size if I take the cap off

Thanks I found the valve because you said it was on the firewall. That switches on the rotator lights on my one 816 will have to check on other two to see.[/QUOTE]

I am guessing that when the rotator lights were installed, thay were wired to the OE warning light switch and just abandoned the OE warning light instead of installing the switch that came with the beacon light kit.

So where is the seperate flasher and switch for the OE 'lollypop'? I do not have another switch.

No answers / explanation on lockers yet?

Havent even looked for an aux airline yet!

Oh yea - no trailer brake lever - guess that's for the 818 etc.

Thanks in advance.

Also the m815 and the m819

 

[Csm Davis]

Thinking of adding the trailer brake lever to my wreckers and using it to control the rear gladhand. Any bad side to this, would come in handy for trailers or trucks that want to do their own thing not follow the wrecker.

 

[raeme]

Geez, you buy the trucks, but were not trained on them. Some thing missing here?
raeme.

 

[Csm Davis]

Geez, you buy the trucks, but were not trained on them. Some thing missing here?
raeme.

What the heck are you talking about raeme?

 

[73m819]

Thinking of adding the trailer brake lever to my wreckers and using it to control the rear gladhand. Any bad side to this, would come in handy for trailers or trucks that want to do their own thing not follow the wrecker.

Swiss's m62 has the trailer brake controller, looks stock, do not see a down side, especially if the recovered vehicle is a combination (truck and trailer)

 

[raeme]

Jeff not being nasty,but a normal truck yes. But these things can kill. It's good to see the passion we all have with these vehicles ,but to try and use them without knowing how to. I apolligise if I touched a nerve. IF any body wants to know how to use the formula for safe working loads for winch cables. Let me know, or someone who does. I have all the recovery formulas here if you need them. Again I am sorry,it's just Iv'e seen some bad things.
Bye the way, all Australian trucks 2 ton and up are fitted with a seperate trailler hand piece.
raeme.